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Looking down the barrel of a gun: Increasing solar activity

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#1 - 2012-11-23 11:56:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Coronal mass ejections. Reel in those satellites and close the barn door, we should be seeing some activity today. Possibly a moderate bombardment, but just the same, good time to check the batteries Blink

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(Phys.org)—On Nov. 21, 2012, at 11:24 a.m. EST, the sun erupted with an Earth-directed coronal mass ejection or CME. Experimental NASA research models, based on observations from the Solar Terrestrial Relations Observatory (STEREO) and the ESA/NASA mission the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, show that the Nov. 21 CME left the sun at speeds of 500 miles per second, which is a slow to average speed for CMEs.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-11-nasa-spacecraft-thanksgiving-cme.html#jCp

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Charles Javeroux
INTERSTELLAR CREDIT
#2 - 2012-11-23 12:37:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Charles Javeroux
Chillax mate. Enjoy the x-ray sunbath Big smile

EDIT: It's not gonna kill yo any time soon.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#3 - 2012-11-23 18:43:00 UTC
This is a good source for updates on such things. I visit it an unhealthy amount of times each day.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#4 - 2012-11-24 02:05:40 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
This is a good source for updates on such things. I visit it an unhealthy amount of times each day.
Oh.. yeah.. I just grabbed the latest on google news from my laptop, was 5min old at the time of posting. I used to use that site a lot, but I have all these apps for my android tab now, like 3d sun and the NASA app etc. some of which throw out alarm sounds for CME's as well as geologic alerts etc.

At any rate, this is solar cycle 24 and it peaks early to mid next year. Currently on the up by all data accounts. NASA is predicting the most intense activity in 400 years peaking around May 2013. Yet there is another group predicting the least active. NASA bases the prediction on the long-term memory cycle of the sun, while the other based on short-term memory.

I'm siding with NASA here, and to me the data does suggest a significant rise in activity while it's still early before we get into the projected peak for next year. So quite possibly we'll see a bit of havoc over the coming months. Like I suggested, good time to check batteries, food and water supply as well, as anything strong could be knocking some of us off of the power grid for a time.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-11-24 02:43:37 UTC
Will this interrupt my pron viewing at all?

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#6 - 2012-11-24 03:21:11 UTC
Webvan wrote:
this is solar cycle 24 and it peaks early to mid next year.


They first thought it would peak this year. I don't think they know anything for sure. When the sun had zero sunspot activity last solar minimum all the 'experts' had no idea why it did that, or knew when the sun would return to normal. The fusion reactor theory about how the sun works is full of problems and falls short of explaining much, but it's still used to try and predict things because there is no alternative. One thing we do know just from observation is that the more quiet the minimum is, the more intense the maximum is, so with the abnormally quiet minimum we'll have an abnormally intense maximum, whenever it does happen.

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NASA is predicting the most intense activity in 400 years peaking around May 2013. Yet there is another group predicting the least active. NASA bases the prediction on the long-term memory cycle of the sun, while the other based on short-term memory.


I think NASA is actually downplaying it. They usually work very hard at saying there's nothing at all for people to worry about, so if they say we should be a little worried, we might want to be a lot worried.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#7 - 2012-11-24 04:39:21 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
They first thought it would peak this year.
General consensus 2012, but it's going to keep climbing. I'm not sure what you are saying, that it's possible that it has already peaked? Well here is near current data: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SolarCycle/ Though current projections are into next year regarding peak, though it still remains to be seen what the intensity of the peak will be. But it doesn't seem to be decreasing at this point.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#8 - 2012-11-24 04:48:24 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
They first thought it would peak this year.
General consensus 2012, but it's going to keep climbing. I'm not sure what you are saying, that it's possible that it has already peaked?


Oh no, just used it as another example of how much of this is a guessing game, even to those who study this stuff for a living.

If i was implying anything, it was that it could still peak any day now, and not necessarily sometime next year.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#9 - 2012-11-24 06:37:19 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
They first thought it would peak this year.
General consensus 2012, but it's going to keep climbing. I'm not sure what you are saying, that it's possible that it has already peaked?


Oh no, just used it as another example of how much of this is a guessing game, even to those who study this stuff for a living.

If i was implying anything, it was that it could still peak any day now, and not necessarily sometime next year.


You mean like... peak on Dec 21, 2012 perhaps??? lol j/k, saw no real implication there.
Sure it could, but my personal observation is NASA has some validity regarding the long-term memory of the sun as opposed to short-term effect/memory. Oh Be-haaave. But in that, it does seem to have behavior problems, I mean everything ages and becomes more clinical with age Twisted
Not exactly in the camp of gloom and doom, but disruptions seem probable. If we start seeing G3+ by then, I'm sure I'll thread it; as that would indicate a probably progression rather than declination to it's current state.

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pussnheels
Viziam
#10 - 2012-11-24 11:21:54 UTC
didn't the sun had a real big mass ejection earlier this year and did absolutely t...nothing to us , except for sqome pretty nightskies up north

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Charles Javeroux
INTERSTELLAR CREDIT
#11 - 2012-11-24 12:22:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Charles Javeroux
pussnheels wrote:
didn't the sun had a real big mass ejection earlier this year and did absolutely t...nothing to us , except for sqome pretty nightskies up north


Yes, exactly. It's nothing to worry about, just enjoy the data stream. We got our agents on the wheel there, the course is steady and track is safe Big smile
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-11-24 19:57:32 UTC
Speaking of gun barrels... let's make bacon!Big smile

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#13 - 2012-11-24 22:45:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
pussnheels wrote:
didn't the sun had a real big mass ejection earlier this year and did absolutely t...nothing to us , except for sqome pretty nightskies up north
Yeah that's why I titled the thread the way I did, it needs to be pointed at the Earth for us to get hit. Not just in the direction of the earth, but then it needs to eject at that point in time. So really at most any point in the cycle (close to a decade), we could get hit by a substantial CMS, but there is less chance when the sun becomes relatively inactive.

You know, 100 years ago it wouldn't matter so much, but we are pretty dependent on power and satellites now, especially the past couple of decades. Three days w/o power in a region? (e.g. entire Eastern seaboard or anywhere), a week? two? Don't count on FEMA Straight

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pussnheels
Viziam
#14 - 2012-11-26 07:36:57 UTC
Webvan wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
didn't the sun had a real big mass ejection earlier this year and did absolutely t...nothing to us , except for sqome pretty nightskies up north
Yeah that's why I titled the thread the way I did, it needs to be pointed at the Earth for us to get hit. Not just in the direction of the earth, but then it needs to eject at that point in time. So really at most any point in the cycle (close to a decade), we could get hit by a substantial CMS, but there is less chance when the sun becomes relatively inactive.

You know, 100 years ago it wouldn't matter so much, but we are pretty dependent on power and satellites now, especially the past couple of decades. Three days w/o power in a region? (e.g. entire Eastern seaboard or anywhere), a week? two? Don't count on FEMA Straight


well apparantely some people just can not stop hyping the end of the world , if it is not solarflares , which hit us every 10 years or so it is , aligning with the center of the galaéxy , which is as we all know is only a optical effect and will not even get close , or a collision with planet X , would be the brightest object in the night sky now and probably even visible during the day,
sudden shift in the Earths polar field causing catasthropic earthquakes , happens every 250 000 years and takes 25000 years which is in geologiacal terms pretty fast
probably forgot some more but i am getting tired of this ,
doomsdaysayers had their fun and the smartones made their money , now just leave us alone will you

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#15 - 2012-11-26 13:56:23 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
well apparantely some people just can not stop hyping the end of the world , if it is not solarflares , which hit us every 10 years or so it is , aligning with the center of the galaéxy , which is as we all know is only a optical effect and will not even get close , or a collision with planet X , would be the brightest object in the night sky now and probably even visible during the day,
sudden shift in the Earths polar field causing catasthropic earthquakes , happens every 250 000 years and takes 25000 years which is in geologiacal terms pretty fast
probably forgot some more but i am getting tired of this ,
doomsdaysayers had their fun and the smartones made their money , now just leave us alone will you


So, Jesus will protect us from the extremely dangerous universe that is indifferent to life?

I also grow weary of some of the doomsayers, but the fact remains that permanence and security are illusions we choose to believe because reality is grim. If they keep predicting doom they'll eventually be right. Those saying nothing bad will ever happen are the ones lying to themselves.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#16 - 2012-11-26 15:53:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Let's put it this way : it's pointless to worry about something you have no power of preventing, and it's counterproductive to prepare for something that's very costly to just barely and maybe protect against that's highly improbable to happen in your lifetime.
You know, keep calm and carry on as if nothing was about to happen, even if it might ;)
Now, if we're talking something very likely to happen within a lifetime and not very inconvenient to have a decent chance to protect against, then by all means, prepare for it and worry about it away as much as you like.

P.S. Getting a household generator, a decent but not excessive stockpile of fuel for it, a large UPS, some less-spoilable staple foods, and Faraday-caging your house (preferably built into the walls) is pretty inconvenient, but not complete overkill if you really do worry. You want to keep the windows uncaged, but the parts handy - you'll get a few days' worth of warning either way, so you have ample time to complete the shielding and disconnect yourself from the mains before it hits.

P.P.S. As far as satellites are concerned, with sufficient warning time, at least some of them be able maneouver into the "shade" the planet provides for the duration of the event and get out of it unscathed. Power lines can be disconnected and thoroughly grounded just before the start of the event in areas affected (with burnt-out sections in critical loops replaced soon after from storage), sensitive parts can be shielded at least partially, and so on and so forth.
It certainly won't be pretty for a while, but it would take quite a bit to actually crash down the economy of the "sun side" of the planet when it happens to hit us, let alone the entire human civilization (nearly half of it should be pretty safe by default anyway, at least geographically speaking).

P.P.P.S. http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/26oct_solarshield/
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-11-26 18:57:45 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
If they keep predicting doom they'll eventually be right.


if I keep breathing I'll die sooner or later.

that's a self-fulfilling prophecy too.





in the end CMS cause EM storms that, if it is reeeeaaaaaaaly serious would doom civilization as we know it, but not mankind. At most we would revert to the industrial revolution era if that would happen.

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