EVE General Discussion

Scam idiots.

But even if I could afford an alt, I wouldn't know how to make ISK with it, either.

No one can tell you what to do, you need to find what you "enjoy" doing enough to get rich at it.....
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Yeah, I just need to get an idea of what that is. I do enjoy small gang and fleet PvP, though the loot and salvage from that is inconsistent at best. I suppose I could try solo PvP, though from I have heard taht usually doesn't end up too well.

Sell PLEX. I imagine you already pay sub in cash, selling PLEX is no different.

Well, it depends on age (SP) and financial situation really.

A young character with little ISK really only has two options, and that is mining or mission running (then you have FW which people say they make a billion a week out of). As the wallet builds up, you can then get into the market, or start production of stuff through a POS, etc etc.

Most of that is usually best left to alts, as it takes (potentially) a lot of time to train.

There really is no "get rich really quickly" (except possibly for the above mentioned FW stuff that people brag about, not tried it personally) method, unless you want to spend real money and sell PLEX.

Well, to my knowledge anyway, but i dont know everything :)

That was another thing I was gonna bring up, people seem to talk about BCs and BSs like they're quite disposible, wheras for me losing my Drake is a large hit to my wallet.

I think I will try Exploration next, first Radar sites in a frig, then mayabe fit a probe launcher to my drake and try some combat sites.

If you make 2mil from a LvL4 mission you're doing it wrong. Kill everything, salvage and loot everything.

= Profit

Well, you should check out the Mission guides, (no idea where they are, but I'm sure someone can point you at them), to find out which agents offer the good Missions like Angel Extravaganza and such. 2m ISK on a level 4 is a waste of time. Unfortunately, the agents only hand out these missions every so often, so you have to either 'cheat' or wait.

'Cheating' is done by having alts access the agent until one gets the mission you want, then you run it. I'm not sure how feasible this is, particularly as you need alts to have access to the mission in the first place. I can't imagine how much time is wasted in doing this, and eventually the alt cycle will turn up nothing interesting one would expect.

I've only heard about that; never seen anyone do it. Personally, I haven't the patience to grind to level 4 even with good social skills.

Salvaging will net you more if you're not doing that already.

Other ways to make ISK? Honestly, I can't think of any sure way to do it aside from Missions.

Ratting runs the risk of costing more than you make due to ship loss; that risk is high, and you are actually likely to spend ISK on ships and never get anything out of it while continuously losing them.

Mining in Highsec, while no longer as subject to ganking, is tedious, and offers little reward for the effort. Some might think it does, but the cost of setting up for it, the potential for ship loss or Wardec, the mind-numbing hours of boredom, all lead to a very small amount of ISK per hour.

Mining in Lowsec or Null is akin to taking your ISK and putting it on a character you intend to biomass immediately after. ..unless you happen to be in an Alliance, in their space, and have no means of entry to where you are aside from wormholes randomly dropping things on you. Even then. you need a Rorqual, and you have to rely on your Alliance to help you get it back to a Highsec station and store it in the meantime. Marginally better than Wormhole mining.

Ratting Sleepers in a Wormhole. The base entry requirement is high enough to be discouraging coupled with the danger and potential of losing everything which always exists.

Wormholing is basically the same, only with a much higher cost and the need for many players to stand a half a chance at success. Even then, it is a very high risk activity, and ironically, the additional players required consume the spawns at such a rate that you have to trade spots in ratting fleets so everyone can earn ISK there.

C6 has room for about 8-10 in a site with a reasonable amount of ISK to be made each, and about 2-5 sites a week max. available. That means you can sustain 40 members with a net potential profit of 150 million ISK a week each. Actually works out to be less than Missioning.

Market and Trade is saturated with easy generators that force such a competition in prices that most manufacturing is unprofitable all the time for anyone else. You can't compete, and thus you don't stand a chance at making a profit. Buys, + taxes and levies equal or exceed sells.

A very rare instance, something may be profitable, but if it is, you can bet someone beat you to it, or it's a Margin Trade scam or otherwise fake.

That leaves Missioning and Mining as practical means of making ISK in EVE; the two Ms, both of them boring. Oh, right, there are Incursions, but then you need a Fleet that knows exactly what it is doing and has a good mix of ship types appropriate to it. Then you have competition; afaik, only one fleet gets the egg at the end, so the rest go home empty handed. (per site)

That may seem a little negative, but it is mostly true unless you have a whole lot of time to waste, or somebody to hold your hand and make it easier for you. A large alliance can deliberately create rifts in the market, for which their members have already been well forewarned about, and are already stocked up and prepared to fill for example.

EVE is nearly 10 years old, with a lot of original players still doing there thing and many players with so much ISK they couldn't spend it if they bought Sov for an entire Alliance plus a few Supercaps, and maybe a Titan. These players flip, turn over, and otherwise manipulate these markets with nearly endless resources and have been doing so for years. That isn't something you can compete with.

'course not, I need money to fund it.

For me, PvP in EVE is where the meat is. I just need something to make sure I can fit another ship when mine explodes.

Join a decent corp and learn to play with them because if you're in FW and can't make a profit them you are doing something really bad.