EVE General Discussion

Well, for those kids out there: imagine you really screwed up your grades at some point in your schooling, and your parents made your life hell because of it. This is the whole shebang: no more allowance, social life, and constant berating about why you're not doing any better yet. You have, however, studied as hard as you could for upcoming tests, did your homework perfectly (and even showed it to them!), and other things. However, they just won't stop going on about how your grades are still bad, and there's nothing you can do about that until those tests come around.

The analogy breaks down somewhat when CCP is the "child" and the EVE playerbase is the "parents", but the same sort of attitude is there.

Give them a second chance, kiddies.



They better be! They've lost 20% struct already!

Please let me quote a post made by CCP Navigator yesterday:

That is exactly the wrong thing to be encouraging them to do.



Until the current bugs and imbalances are fixed, new ships are only going to compound the problem. New ships aren't going to make passive shield tanking balanced, nor are they going to make blasters useful. New weapon systems aren't going to make the Prophecy worth flying, and they aren't going to make EVE any less laggy.



^^ This. We have our new features and content, but they (and some preexisting content) are rather broken. Once those work well, then the shiny new things should come forth.

I believe that you cannot spell.

maybe you should grow a little? unsub and find other stuff to spend money?

Or it feels better to be negative, pay and cry instead?

<-- must learn to read the whole post before commenting.

To be honest, if they actually do everything in this next patch that they say they're going to do then there is very little left to improve upon in Eve. Granted, things will always need tweaking but let's think about it for a second. With just the hybrid balancing, supercap nerfs, FW fix, WiS including concourses and player-owned bars, there's really not that much left to significantly improve upon.

What I'm saying is that if CCP really does everything they say they're going to do, I don't see any reason to have any more expansions. Not saying we shouldn't get more patches for fixes, updates, etc., but new feature expansions? Are there any new features left? Again, not talking about fixes and promises kept for already projected game mechanics/gameplay improvements, but rather new innovations. I don't think Eve has reached the end of the line but I think that just to promise 2 expansions a year would only hinder the company because the player base is going to grumble that there's not enough content simply due to the fact that they've already given us so much at this point.

They've given us back ship spinning along with all the rest of the upcoming improvements; the only thing left I can think of would be a full-fledged Incarna "super expansion" where all their ideas are realized: walking in stations, concourses, bars with player interaction (bar fights would be cool) including games, corporation boardrooms for war planning and Dust 514 interfacing, etc.

Think about it. Unless they're planning on turning Eve into something like STO was aiming to be (but failed miserably) with having your avatar interface with planets directly on the planets, there's not much left in terms of innovation. If they put aside all their expansion plans and focused on making everything they've already got (including upcoming WiS) better, I don't think people would really mind at all not ever having another expansion but instead getting regular updates on existing features.

Eve is a fluid game, constantly in flux simply due to the ever-changing needs of players. If they are somehow able to stay ahead of that curve and keep the game properly updated with regular patches/fixes/features, expansions will be a memory and I really don't see many people complaining about that fact. To tout and promote a new expansion with this or that feature when it could just be a big update would be getting people's hopes up in a way.

Eve is the only game where the player base is constantly looking to the future instead of the present, and if they can somehow bring that excitement to the present, Eve will never die.

Because without constant innovation the game will become boring and stale. Without constant graphics face lifts it becomes dated. The new avatars, even if you happen to hate them, go far to make this look like a modern game and less like a holdover to 2004.

And, also, because the EVE universe is always changing. It's changing because the playerbase is changing. If CCP doesn't constantly refine, polish, and expand the product to match the demands of an evolving playerbase then those players will find something else to blow money on.

You are right that innovation and expansion keep the game interesting. However, I bolded the part of your post that I am trying to get across. It's all well and good that CCP are making new features, new ships, new avatars, whatever. However, both the new and old content will always need iteration, and I hope they don't forget that again.

Saw the topic and expected another unhappy rant.

Left feeling pleasantly disappointed.

+1 :)