EVE General Discussion

Id say yes
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Maybe it's about the numbers game.

How many accounts does your average player who never leaves high sec usually keep active every month? This is an honest question, I have no idea. My GUESS would be 2-3, but just having one account is workable in most cases.

Now how many active accounts does your average nullsec player maintain? Your base number is going to really be 2 at a minimum, most likely you're going to end up with an average of 3-4 per player though. I know a few people who have DOZENS of accounts active. My guess would be most people have 2-3 though, but those metagamers with 10+ accounts are REALLY going to skew the numbers if you're looking at averages.

Maybe CCP is trying to get their subscription numbers up. One way to do it is to push more people towards 0.0, because at the very least, you suddenly NEED two accounts, because frankly to live in 0.0, you really should have a carrier to do your own personal logistics with. Then maybe you decide you need a dedicated industry alt to make enough isk to buy GTCs for the rest of your EVE life. Then maybe you get a 4th account so you can have a dedicated supercap or spy account, or some other utility uses.

Other than having an alt to salvage with and/or run a logi for you in highsec, or maybe even an industry alt, what real need is there for a second account, or even more so, a third account? Sure there are things you COULD do with another account, but would they really justify paying the extra $ or getting that extra PLEX every month? Prolly not.

Besides that, IMHO, there are FAR too many people content to sit on their laurels in highsec and pretend EVE is a scifi skin for farmville. The EVE universe is a dangerous place. Deal wit it.

WH nerf + Hi sec war nerf + Hi sec incursion nerf = subscription nerf.

There's a reason why most players choose not to go to null sec. Trying to force them into a play style they don't like will drive players/customers away.

We do not need any nerfs in Eve right now. We need to strengthen Eve. Nerf's have rarely ever brought people to a game, and commonly make them leave.

Entice people to null sec. Make it fun. Sometimes I think the null-sec dwellers are their own worse enemy.

Ya, I cannot stress enough that this game would not exist if it was Hisec Online. None of you would be playing anything.

The future of the game beyond l4 missions and hisec belts is the future of the game itself.

On the contrary, I believe Eve will survive this latest bump in the road. One person in scc-lounge last weekend made the interesting conjecture that if the game went F2P, the bots would finally be banned en masse. If that's what it takes, good.

I fear for WoD though - The words they give there give me chills, as I heard it in 2003 and 2008 with Uru / Myst Online. Look where that is now...

I've never joined or enjoyed an MMO for its content. Only for its people and community. That would endure in some form no matter what happened (in turn keeping me here), the question becomes when does it get unbearable? It took six years for Uru, not bad really. Its becoming much shorter here.

There are two sides to this coin. I will readily admit that there are too many (1 would be too many, but there are more than that) 0.0 alliances run by wanna-be Napoleons with delusions of adequacy. But there are also plenty who are run by reasonable people who don't roleplay fascist dictators, and even the best these will post CTAs from time to time. The plain fact is that 0.0 is highly competitive and those alliances which don't pull together in time of need will sink under the weight of competition from those who do.

The flip side of the 'Little Napoleon' complex you describe is the 'Special Snowflake' complex, whereby people (often those who have only really played in hi-sec, I'm afraid) think that they shouldn't have to adapt their playstyle at all when they're in 0.0; they reject the idea that they should contribute to the team even while they're benefitting from the results of that teamwork. They take the relative safety of alliance space for granted, but refuse to put in any work to help keep it that way or even learn how to not make it worse.

And always with the same slogan: "If you're not going to pay my sub then don't tell me how to play!"


When too many of these parasites infest a 0.0 alliance, it will invariably fall apart as soon as it's faced with even a small hostile challenge. I have seen this same story of once decent alliances rotting out this way played out over and over again in the last 5 years, both from the inside and the outside.

I went to a POS bash last night because I was asked to do so by my alliance head. Travel time + fleet muster & organization + actual POS bash = 5 hours. Any fleet capable of removing POS's is going to take, at a minimum, 1 - 2 hours to form.You can do it quicker with smaller fleets but then you increase your time to reinforce on the back end. There's really no way to get around that fact. Granted everyone was coming from different regions of space. But, then CCP doesn't really make small areas of space profitable or interesting enough to perpetually house large groups of people.

The problem with the game's population is the lack of casual content. Eve needs an arena environment. I don't care how complex a rat's AI becomes it's either predictable or it's annoying. It can't be anything else because there is no sense of victory over an algorithm. But, there is a sense of victory over another player. Unfortunately, the current game mechanics makes such interactions difficult to do alone or quickly. In a solo PVP situation you're more apt to be blobbed than find someone else like minded. You can literally spend hours looking for that one opportunity for a 2-5 minute fight. Why CCP doesn't see that as a serious game flaw in the sandbox environment, I'll never know.

So you respond to a post saying you don't need to play five hours every night with a story about how you chose to play for 5 hours one night?

Please think before you "respond" to me in the future. Thanks.

Like shooting structures fun? tbh i think that is the real reason most ex null dwellers are anywhere but null.