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The MJD Trick.
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JamesCLK
#1 - 2012-11-22 09:43:28 UTC
Hello forum people!

As you may know, Retribution will introduce the Large Micro Jump Drive:
A module that propels the user forward 100km after a 12 second spool-up – this is reduced with the skill Micro Jump Drive Operation – and which has a 3 minute cool-down; from the moment the module is activated.

Now, most of us know the cloak-MWD trick, where a ship can cloak while aligning, and then jump into warp right away.
I shouldn't have to recap how it works, but in case you've never heard of it:
  • Hit align (not warp) to your destination.
  • Hit your Cloak and quickly hit your MWD (green ring).
  • Deactivate your MWD (red ring).
  • When your MWD cycle is about to end, stop your cloak and hit warp.

    • That is, of course, unless they have a bubble.
    Used to be, in that situation, you’d have to cross your fingers and hope for the best as you slow-boat out of the bubbles under cloak.
    No more. The MJD allows you to ignore all but the largest bubble camps.

    In case of bubbles:
  • Hit align (not warp) to your destination.
  • Hit your Cloak and quickly hit your MWD (green ring) and your MJD.
  • Deactivate your MWD (red ring).
  • Wait for your MJD to cycle, it will jump you 100km forward and keep your momentum intact!
  • De-cloak and warp.

    • It’s that simple. Well... almost. Here are some caveats:
  • This trick can only be done with Battleships (for now).
  • This trick requires MJD Operation IV.
  • The MJD has a very noticeable visual effect that plays even while cloaked.
  • The cool-down on the MJD is three minutes (!). You may want to warp to a planet or safe and cloak for a minute or two after using this trick.

    • That’s it! Emergent module use at its finest.
    Enjoy! Bear

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    Schalac
    Apocalypse Reign
    #2 - 2012-11-22 10:30:15 UTC
    I don't understand why this needed such a long post.

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    Gibbo3771
    AQUILA INC
    Verge of Collapse
    #3 - 2012-11-22 10:49:53 UTC
    Schalac wrote:
    I don't understand why this needed such a long post.


    Trying to explain in depth how something works that only has 3 steps, trying to make himself look like a smart arse when really, he is not.
    Kahega Amielden
    Rifterlings
    #4 - 2012-11-22 11:00:45 UTC
    Should be pretty easy to get a ship with a scram within decloak range of a battleship in 12 seconds. Further, battleships are generally easy to chase.

    Interesting, but I don't see it ushering in a new era of 0.0 BS shuttles.
    Aducat Ragnarson
    Blootered Bastards
    #5 - 2012-11-22 11:23:05 UTC
    I believe that this will lead to a great many pilots thinking, that they can easily get their BS through 0.0. In turn the fact that most gatecamps are utterly horrible at decloaking anything coupled with the visibility of the MJD effect even under cloak, this will might result in more BS kills for half decent gatecamps and less BS kills for terrible gatecamps. Therefore I see this as a possibility to reward competent players and punish terrible players, which in itself is great. Disregarding of course the fact that gatecamps in general do not require a lot of skill. However if gatecamping is your style, this might reward you for getting better at it.
    JamesCLK
    #6 - 2012-11-22 11:40:08 UTC
    Schalac wrote:
    I don't understand why this needed such a long post.

    I don't do TL;DR. ~Sorry~

    Kahega Amielden wrote:
    Should be pretty easy to get a ship with a scram within decloak range of a battleship in 12 seconds.

    9 Seconds with MJD Operation 5. And there is a delay between entering de-cloak range and the target popping up on the overview. Bumping doesn't prevent the MJD from firing either. So in the worst scenario, your Interceptor pilots have 9 seconds to de-cloak, lock, and scram the BS. That's not a lot of time.

    Kahega Amielden wrote:

    Interesting, but I don't see it ushering in a new era of 0.0 BS shuttles.

    Neither did the cloak-MWD trick. That's not really the point though. It's an evolution to an existing tactic.

    Aducat Ragnarson wrote:
    I believe that this will lead to a great many pilots thinking, that they can easily get their BS through 0.0. In turn the fact that most gatecamps are utterly horrible at decloaking anything coupled with the visibility of the MJD effect even under cloak, this will might result in more BS kills for half decent gatecamps and less BS kills for terrible gatecamps. Therefore I see this as a possibility to reward competent players and punish terrible players, which in itself is great. Disregarding of course the fact that gatecamps in general do not require a lot of skill. However if gatecamping is your style, this might reward you for getting better at it.

    I wish more gatecamps weren't terrible. Most fall short because... they're drunk? Ugh
    As for the MJD effect, it's not that visible until you actually jump. You could quite easily miss it in a bubble graphic.
    I certainly hope gate camps step up their game in response.

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    Russel M Jimmies
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #7 - 2012-11-22 12:31:37 UTC
    Pretty sure you can't activate 2 propulsion modules at once, unless the MJD works differently.
    Schalac
    Apocalypse Reign
    #8 - 2012-11-22 13:30:53 UTC
    Russel M Jimmies wrote:
    Pretty sure you can't activate 2 propulsion modules at once, unless the MJD works differently.

    And even if you could, any half decent not completely slobbering on the keyboard drunk inty pilot can get within 2k of a BS in under a second at a gate camp.

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    JamesCLK
    #9 - 2012-11-22 14:20:06 UTC
    Russel M Jimmies wrote:
    Pretty sure you can't activate 2 propulsion modules at once, unless the MJD works differently.

    The whole premise of me posting this thread is that I've tested it on Buckingham. It works. Smile

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    Lady Spank
    Get Out Nasty Face
    #10 - 2012-11-22 14:51:12 UTC
    JamesCLK wrote:
    Schalac wrote:
    I don't understand why this needed such a long post.

    I don't do TL;DR. ~Sorry~.

    He didn't ask for a TL;DR, he rightfully pointed out the needlessly long winded babble regarding this known mechanic.

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    Bugsy VanHalen
    Society of lost Souls
    #11 - 2012-11-22 20:51:30 UTC
    And yet there are many many players who respond to the MWD cloak trick with a "What is that?"
    Lady Spank
    Get Out Nasty Face
    #12 - 2012-11-22 21:52:46 UTC
    No one can stop people from being ignorant. Anyone with a brain understands the proposed changes.

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    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #13 - 2012-11-23 14:07:46 UTC
    thanks. very interesting and detailed.

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    Jack Miton
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #14 - 2012-11-23 14:35:21 UTC
    MJD takes what? a full minute to cycle?
    anyone who cant decloak and scram a BS in less than 60sec shouldnt be anywhere near a gate camp.

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    JamesCLK
    #15 - 2012-11-23 15:37:17 UTC
    Jack Miton wrote:
    MJD takes what? a full minute to cycle?


    The length of the MJD cycle is anywhere from 12 to 9 seconds depending on the level of your MJD Operation skill.
    The MJD needs 3 minutes of cool-down from the moment you activate the module. Unfortunately, the module doesn't give a visual indicator of when you can use it again.

    Hope that helps. Smile

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    Carol Krabit
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #16 - 2012-11-23 15:59:16 UTC
    Not to be a complete buzzkill, but the fact that MJD + MWD activation works on Buckingham isn't really a guarantee that it will work in final release. I was under the impression that the MJD would abide to the general prop mod restrictions. That impression isn't really based on anything solid, but my first point still stands.
    JamesCLK
    #17 - 2012-11-23 16:21:27 UTC
    Carol Krabit wrote:
    Not to be a complete buzzkill, but the fact that MJD + MWD activation works on Buckingham isn't really a guarantee that it will work in final release.

    This is of course true. Or CCP might impose such a restriction in a later patch (I doubt they will though).
    The MJD trick will still be a viable tactic even if you can't punch the MWD at the same time.

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    Sudden Buggery
    Sending Thots And Players
    #18 - 2012-11-23 23:12:20 UTC
    Given that the best bubble camps are on constellation and regional gates, a vast majority of which are off the ecliptic, the key to efficient bubble camping is to have a ceptor 100km away towards the main cluster within a bunch of small bubbles. Numpty mc buttface then has to do the MJD jump 100km and lands in a bubble. Trololol.

    Stupid module.

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    Jack Miton
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #19 - 2012-11-23 23:30:24 UTC
    JamesCLK wrote:
    Jack Miton wrote:
    MJD takes what? a full minute to cycle?


    The length of the MJD cycle is anywhere from 12 to 9 seconds depending on the level of your MJD Operation skill.
    The MJD needs 3 minutes of cool-down from the moment you activate the module. Unfortunately, the module doesn't give a visual indicator of when you can use it again.

    Hope that helps. Smile


    eh, nvm then. must have remembered it wrong.

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    feihcsiM
    THE B0YS
    #20 - 2012-11-25 20:22:14 UTC
    Does the MJD still spool up when you are scrammed but just not jump upon cycle completion or does it instantly stop spooling when scrammed?
    If the former I'm guessing Allign -> MJD -> ECM Burst just before MJD cycle completion would be potentially better then your 'MJD Cloak Trick'.

    An even better and easier to pull off trick is the 'Have Bloody Intel And Don't Jump Solo BSs Around 0.0 As Its Idiotic Trick', I find it has a suprisingly high success rate.

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