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shashe sin
Doomheim
#21 - 2011-10-20 23:52:32 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
FlamesOfHeaven wrote:

idiot.. station dont pop up from "nowhere" in the world of Eve lore. People arent that blind to stupid to not know if a station is getting setup/built on their planet orbit thus moving out of low lying areas or w/e during so

Yeah I am the idiot for not wanting to uproute Billions of people which would cost hundreds of billions of ISK in planetary work stoppages and relocation costs. Then there is the cost of the dmg the tsunami's and earthquakes will do to the cities and the possibility of volcanic eruption destroying the atmosphere.

I guess they could avoid all of that hassle by putting the station into Orbit around the Moon and just warp there the second you break atmo. But you know it is a nice view... idiot.
Tristan North wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms95NKFnhCU&feature=relmfu
Too close?

The Titans are about 20000 Km off and the Station is 4-5000 km off if those planets are Earth sized.


earthquake.. volcanic eruption... lol

RP fail much? Go back to ur physic class and so srsly brosref?
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-10-20 23:53:29 UTC  |  Edited by: ThisIsntMyMain
David Grogan wrote:

the iss is about the size of a football field...... an eve online station is much much much larger.

if a station several km in diameter was placed in orbit at 350km the planet's gravity would pull it towards the planet.

the bigger the object the greater the range of gravitational effect as all objects of matter exert a gravitational tug on other objects however small it may be.


Ohgod, C-, you pass but barely. Please revisit your high school physics textbooks.

Quote:
the bigger the object the greater the range of gravitational effect
wrong. Both the Newtonian model and General Relativity assume that the range of gravitational attraction is unlimited, but reduces with the square of distance.

Quote:
if a station several km in diameter was placed in orbit at 350km the planet's gravity would pull it towards the planet.
correct but obviously mis-understood. If you place any object above a planet and push it sideways it will either fly off into space or fall to the ground. Orbiting is a special case where the speed of the object around the planet - ie the sideways push - exactly matches the time it takes to fall towards it.

The biggest problem is that if you place a VERY large object - ie several kilometers long - then the orbit times of the top part and the bottom part are different. The bits of the station further away from the planet orbit slower, This causes the orbit to be unstable. The closer the object is to the planet the more unstable the orbit will be.


Anyway its all academinc. The stations are 4-5000km away because CCP put them there.
Alara IonStorm
#23 - 2011-10-20 23:58:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Alara IonStorm wrote:

RP fail much? Go back to ur physic class and so srsly brosref?

As for my physics I am not going to school for 4 years to win a forum argument.

You have no idea what a shift in Gravity would cause it depends planet to planet. Anyway I was thinking of that other Titan incident. You know RP so you know the one. With the Sisters in it.

But here is the Chronicle.

Chronicle wrote:
One notable incident occurred on the small agricultural world of Goral, where a Gallente Titan moving into orbit caused an abrupt shift in tides, which flooded crop fields and farmland. The decrease in food production meant that the entire system, which depended on Goral for food stock, had to be supplied by merchants or face starvation. Since then, Titan navigation systems have been programmed with fail-safes to prevent them from approaching a planet so closely.
Tristan North
The Scope
#24 - 2011-10-20 23:59:29 UTC
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:



Anyway its all academinc. The stations are 4-5000km away because CCP put them there.

Probably because planets were low textured.
This explain why in the epic trailers-pics it looks like everything is much closer to planets.
Cassina Lemour
Staner Industries
#25 - 2011-10-21 00:06:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Cassina Lemour
Stations should be at the L1 Lagrangian point in relation to the Planet and Moon. That is the point where the gravity of the two masses cancel each other out and produce a stable position keeping.
FlamesOfHeaven
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2011-10-21 00:13:13 UTC  |  Edited by: FlamesOfHeaven
Alara IonStorm wrote:
FlamesOfHeaven wrote:

idiot.. station dont pop up from "nowhere" in the world of Eve lore. People arent that blind to stupid to not know if a station is getting setup/built on their planet orbit thus moving out of low lying areas or w/e during so

Yeah I am the idiot for not wanting to uproute Billions of people which would cost hundreds of billions of ISK in planetary work stoppages and relocation costs. Then there is the cost of the dmg the tsunami's and earthquakes will do to the cities and the possibility of volcanic eruption destroying the atmosphere.

I guess they could avoid all of that hassle by putting the station into Orbit around the Moon and just warp there the second you break atmo. But you know it is a nice view... idiot.




So ur shifting the figure millions to billions? Get ur facts straight...

Also, not 'all' planets have civillians living on it anyway and some corporations dont care about the ppl living down there.

"You got three years to move ur butts off the red zone, else its ur problem" etc

Its Eve.... it can be a dam harsh universe

Edit: Im not supporting this coz of the "view", it is a discussion section (or debating, trolling...) of the forum right?
Alara IonStorm
#27 - 2011-10-21 00:23:41 UTC
FlamesOfHeaven wrote:


So ur shifting the figure millions to billions? Get ur facts straight...

Also, not 'all' planets have civillians living on it anyway


Facts are to have a Station that big you would already need a massive workforce and for upkeep to be profitable an economy bigger then all of earths. No structure on earth is anywhere near that sive, take all the steel in the 5 largest cities on the planet and you would still come up woefully short.


FlamesOfHeaven wrote:

and some corporation dont care about the ppl living down there.

Yes they care about money therefor will build the Station where it is cheapest IE a moon perhaps.

FlamesOfHeaven wrote:

"You got three years to move ur butts of the red zone, else its ur problem" etc

Or build it at a moon and avoid the hassle.

FlamesOfHeaven wrote:

Its Eve.... it can be a dam harsh universe

Don't even get a view.

FlamesOfHeaven wrote:

Edit: Im not supporting this coz of the "view", it is a discussion section (or debating, trolling...) of the forum right?

Ok so screw the view, why waste a ton of money money to build a Station in close Orbit?
THERisingPHOENIX
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-10-21 00:50:03 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:


FlamesOfHeaven wrote:

Edit: Im not supporting this coz of the "view", it is a discussion section (or debating, trolling...) of the forum right?

Ok so screw the view, why waste a ton of money money to build a Station in close Orbit?



Travel time from planet to station? Save fuel and iskies :P
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#29 - 2011-10-21 00:57:02 UTC
Not if you're using a "space elevator". The station should be in geosyncronous orbit near the hub of the elevator.
THERisingPHOENIX
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-10-21 01:00:56 UTC
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:
Not if you're using a "space elevator". The station should be in geosyncronous orbit near the hub of the elevator.


Space elevator ? O.o
Alara IonStorm
#31 - 2011-10-21 01:01:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
THERisingPHOENIX wrote:


Travel time from planet to station? Save fuel and iskies :P

Not an Issue with Warp Drives. Fuel is not an Issue as you can travel 1000's of AU through hundreds of systems with barely an impact on your wallet. A trip to the Gate is a million times farther then the 4000km it would take to fly to the Station. As for Time a 3 second difference is not gonna mean much really.
THERisingPHOENIX wrote:

Space elevator ? O.o

Tie a rope to the Planet and another to the Station and have a Car that travels up it.

Cheapest Space travel idea in our time the problem is building it.
THERisingPHOENIX
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2011-10-21 01:06:32 UTC
Hmm, well ok. Space elevator sounds cool though Cool
Alara IonStorm
#33 - 2011-10-21 01:07:35 UTC
THERisingPHOENIX wrote:
Hmm, well ok. Space elevator sounds cool though Cool

I know it is so awesome.

There is a yearly NASA contest to design the best one.

One day.
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2011-10-21 01:19:22 UTC
Wow at you RP'ers. This is a dumb issue to be talking about. "We need true reality of how this game works." Yes, serious issue people to debate over the tons of crap that CCP broke or removed.
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