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Selling kill rights, buying kill rights. In the end, it's kill rights, it prevents CONCORD from showing up.

And I already have the unsub button ready to go if this is the case :)

Well, how is it griefing if you buy somebody's kill rights? Kill rights mean somebody got killed in the first place, so going after killer is griefing now?

The only "mass" protest I see happening, if anything, is that people will waste time (which they paid for, one way or another) to sit in-game doing NOTHING but shoot at non-destructible objects in game.

Ironic, huh?


Edit: on a quick note, let's not confuse a BOUNTY with KILL RIGHTS. They aren't the same thing.

How are they not the same thing in this situation? From what I see, Griefer A puts bounty on Bear B. Griefer B, in the same corp as Griefer A, buys kill rights to Bear B and then proceeds to kill them again and again.

Is this right?

Some people play the game to blow up other players ships. Some people play the game to harvest resources, build stuff, and sell it to people that got their ships blown up.

Why can not both player types co-exist in the same game? Why do those that enjoy blowing up other people's ship insist on making every ship a legal target? There are MORE than enough of you PVPers to have plenty of fun blowing each other up. There is no need to turn every carebear into a PVPer.

NOR, more importantly, is it possible to convert a carebear into a PVPer. You can't make them play the game, so you can't make them play the game the way you want them to play it. Anytime you think "It would be easier for me to kill carebears if CCP changes...." just change it to "The carebears will quit playing and CCP will lose revenue if....".

You can't make us play a game where we would be little more than easy targets for griefers to use to grow their epeen by padding their KB stats.

Bounties are completely separate from killrights/GCC/everything crimewatch. Bounties are just a side-system to reward those who kill someone -- be it a legal or illegal kill.


Bolded the important part. The podding would give Griefer A the right to kill Bear B once (it gives Griefer A a killright against Bear B). If Bear B podded others too, Griefer A would be able to buy more killrights for more kills.

At that point, I'd just go for a wardec, but maybe that's just me.

Pretty much yes.

A lot of people bleating on about bounties and saleable kill rights seem to be forgetting that if the player has done nothing that generates a kill right theres nothing for people to sell or buy. Using your example if Bear B has never killed another player or done anything else that could generate a kill right for someone to sell the only way he can be attacked is if the other two are willing to suicide gank him, which is no different from how it is right now.

NO, that is not right.


You and I are not at war, you have not stolen from me, we are not in null sec.... therefore, I can not legally attack you. I attack you anyway, and blow up your ship. You now have kill rights on me. (You can blow up one of my ships without getting a suspect or criminal flag). You are not a PVPer, so have no use for the kill rights. So, you put the kill rights up for sale. Just for giggles, you also put a bounty on me.

I fly into a system with another PVPer. He sees by an icon in the overview that someone has kill rights on me, and has thos kill rights for sale. He checks and sees I also have a bounty on me. He buys the kill rights from you, blows up my ship, and collects the bounty.

Now the kill rights are gone and no one else can "buy them" since they do not exist.


At least, I think this is how CCP "intended" the bounty system to work. In actuality, I think it will be more like this.....

PVP corp sees carebear corp running a mining op. PVP corp says to mining corp, give us 100 million ISK a week or we'll put a 100 million bounty on you every week. When the bounty gets big enough, PVPers will come gank your ships to get the bounty. It will be much cheaper to pay us the protection money than to lose 5x as much in mining barges/exhumers.

OR: mining corp 1 sees mining corp 2 picking up too many new recruits and mining too many of the belts that corp 1 wants. So, corp 1 puts a massive bounty on corp 2. Corp 2 has to stop recruiting, stop mining, and basically falls apart as players leave to get the big target off their backs so they can go back to mining in peace. To prevent the mass exodus, corp 2 creates a "new" corp leaving just a single alt in the bountied corp... of course, then they have to unanchor and reanchor POSes, unlock and relock BPOs, move all the players to the new corp, etc. What a hastle, just to get out from under the bounty.

Doesn't matter what size of bounty is on your alliance, corp, or person. A killer will only receive A % of isk on your ship/pods worth. Run as much as you like, its easy to put up several mil on your head. I imagine every single highsec pilot will have at-least a mil bounty in a month. I know I will be putting the minimum on every single unbountied player I see.

What exactly do I have wrong?


Yes, I know that there are a lot of people that play this game because they enjoy the taste of carebear tears. They seem to forum in inordinate numbers too.


Fun Friday night? Sociopathic tendencies being expressed in a non-RW-consequences environment? Pathetic losers that can't win PVP against others that are looking for and are ready for a fight, so proving their manhood by beating up on people that are not prepared or ready for a fight?

You say tomAto, I say tomato. Why argue over semantics?


Some say that without fear of retribution from law enforcement or an all powerful, intelligent, creator of the universe, they would be free to do anything (kill, ****, burn pillage, plunder...). What frightens me is how many of these people are telling the truth when they say this. Have they no empathy? No ability to apply the golden rule?