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Best sub-cap ship isk/hour against Blood Raiders
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C0wgirl
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#1 - 2012-11-20 09:19:53 UTC
I'm hoping to get time to Rat again soon! I used to use an Ishtar, passive shield tanked, but can't help but think there are faster ways to earn my isk. I would like to be able to do so in a solo manner, so that I'm not reliant on others being around to earn my iskies, I'll be in home systems with Stations/POS.

I can fly all ships, I was considering a Gila, however then it was suggested a tengu would be a better choice. But it got me wondering what else could work even better to get the best return on my time....

What would be my best choice against Blood Raiders? Please note the thread title, sub caps only please.

Does anyone have any tried a tested high earning ships for Blood Raiders (EM/Th)?

Cheers,
CG

PS. Not sure whether this should be in Missions & Complexes or Ships and Fittings.

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Selective Remedy
Explosive Assistance
#2 - 2012-11-20 09:22:39 UTC
Tengus are good all purpose NPCers, though a high damage laser ship would probably do you well for blood raider space. I've used a nightmare in the past with good success.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#3 - 2012-11-20 09:23:46 UTC
Nightmare is the ship I see recommended most often against Blood Raiders.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#4 - 2012-11-20 09:24:22 UTC
Nightmare for maximum carnage, Paladin if you want to schlurp up wrecks too without a friend/alt.
Lucy Oreless
Rise of Rephaim
#5 - 2012-11-20 11:26:01 UTC
Nightmare!

If you dont wanna use the absolutely best, you can also go for a Paladin. I owned a paladin for about a week before i sold it again and jumped back into a NM. Never looked back after that Blink

 I did not have sexual relations to THAT woman....
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-11-20 11:35:32 UTC
nightmare or machariel will both perform about the same.

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C0wgirl
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#7 - 2012-11-20 13:14:42 UTC  |  Edited by: C0wgirl
Thanks for the replies, it's pretty resoundingly the Nightmare then. I will aim for that. Thank you all. As an addition which will help me get to that, given that the nightmare or Mach are both around the 1 Billion mark + fittings, I need a save a bit.

Temporary choice
What would be a good intermediate, anything I get into and use for under 600 mil?

Thanks again,
CG

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Selective Remedy
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#8 - 2012-11-20 13:44:56 UTC
Any of the Amarr BS would be good in the interim and get you used to lasers. Geddon/Abaddon would put out more DPS, Apoc would give you more range with pulse.

Following that you can decide whether you want to use Mega Pulse on your Nightmare, or Tachyons. Tachyons I prefer since they allow you to warp into the belt at range and hit things hard, which means that if you do slip up and allow someone to try and jump you in a belt, you have more chance of getting away before the point goes on.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#9 - 2012-11-20 14:32:47 UTC
I'd recommend the Machariel. It performs the same as a nightmare but has the added bonus that you train minmatar/gallente to use it, which also allowed you to fly a vindicator.

Long story short, the choice are: 2x races for 1 PVE ship or 2x races for 2x PVE and PVE ships (both best in class at their role). I'd always fly minnie/gal over amarr/cal hybrids.
C0wgirl
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#10 - 2012-11-20 15:00:11 UTC
That does suit me a bit, as although I can fly all, my skills are better for Gallente and then Minmatar!

Is it as good/efficient as the Nightmare against Blood Raiders? I assume it's better than the Vindi?

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-11-20 15:13:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
the problems with the mach are ammo consumption and damage projection. as long as you shoot faction ammo, a mach will outdps a tach nightmare between 0 and ~25km. with regular T1 EMP its paper dps against blood riders never quite reach the nightmare's. if you're ok with that, go straight for the mach.

I should buy an Ishtar.
C0wgirl
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#12 - 2012-11-20 15:17:05 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
with regular T1 EMP its paper dps against blood riders never quite reach the nightmare's.


I don't quite understand that. You mean if I go above 25k, then the damage against the BR isn't very good?

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Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#13 - 2012-11-20 15:32:18 UTC
C0wgirl wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
with regular T1 EMP its paper dps against blood riders never quite reach the nightmare's.


I don't quite understand that. You mean if I go above 25k, then the damage against the BR isn't very good?


The mac's faction ammo may be expensive, but it's worth it. The mach also move 1400m/s by *default* with an MWD and no speed mods. Snakes make it go 2k/s

It's is quite simply the best PVE ship due to selectable damage types, GIGANTIC damage projection and good tracking combined with an ample drone bay. It's also harder to gank than a nightmare.

The vindicator does the most turret DPS of any ship in the game, but it's projection is poor and its speed is lower than the mac - but dont count it out. I think it does wel with 425mm rails but i'd still rather use a macariel with 12k arty alpha for long range.
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#14 - 2012-11-20 16:10:23 UTC
While the Machariel is more versatile it uses a lot more ammo than the Nightmare. For nullsec resupplying ammo isn't always as easy so I' go with the Nightmare. Even if you use T2/Faction crystals they take a long time to be used up.

I'd say the Machariel is better against other factions, but against EM/Thermal weak rats the Nightmare/Paladin/(Insert other Amarr BS here) really shines.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#15 - 2012-11-20 16:27:31 UTC
Kosetzu wrote:
While the Machariel is more versatile it uses a lot more ammo than the Nightmare. For nullsec resupplying ammo isn't always as easy so I' go with the Nightmare. Even if you use T2/Faction crystals they take a long time to be used up.

I'd say the Machariel is better against other factions, but against EM/Thermal weak rats the Nightmare/Paladin/(Insert other Amarr BS here) really shines.


If your alliance struggles to keep faction ammo seeded then you need to think of moving alliance. It's fundamental for everything you do in eve. It literally adds 15% more damage to any ship. I shot 20k faction ammo farming up my sec status and it cost me <20mil, for a gain over over 10 times that in rat bounties alone.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-11-20 16:55:51 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
GIGANTIC damage projection

http://imgur.com/IxvfP

I should buy an Ishtar.
Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-11-20 17:32:46 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
GIGANTIC damage projection

http://imgur.com/IxvfP


Nice job comparing a ship that does 100 M/S to a ship that does like 700 with AB and often fits MWD to do 1500++?

That said, for an Ishtar Pilot these days a Gila is usually as good of an improvement as any. Unlike an Ishtar the Gila can (as i've said a billion times before) fit 3x DDU's without skimping too much on the tank. So Gila compared to Passive Ishtar is often 450 vs 750 DPS.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-11-20 19:46:16 UTC
navy geddon will do very nicely as a cheap option

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-11-21 01:35:57 UTC
Gabrielle Lamb wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
GIGANTIC damage projection

http://imgur.com/IxvfP


Nice job comparing a ship that does 100 M/S to a ship that does like 700 with AB and often fits MWD to do 1500++?

nice job pointing out something completely irrelevant.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#20 - 2012-11-21 03:01:06 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Gabrielle Lamb wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
GIGANTIC damage projection

http://imgur.com/IxvfP


Nice job comparing a ship that does 100 M/S to a ship that does like 700 with AB and often fits MWD to do 1500++?

nice job pointing out something completely irrelevant.

Except in any mission where the gates or rats are a distance away, and the faster you close, the faster you get to do more damage. Also: blitzing.
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