Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It is a matter of kiting ship vs brawling ship.

Right now brawling ships need to make a tactical decission if they want to capture the plex. After spotting the enemy on short scan you have around 30-40 seconds of time to move from button to beacon. If you can manage it, you just might be able to snatch the kiting ship at the acc gate exit. If you can't, you are in for a tough fight where you'll try to slingshot the enemy in before they eat up all your EHP.

With the new change the brawler ships can just camp the exit beacon AND run the plex simultaneously. The kiting ship pilots will hesitate to enter plexes.

They won't hesitate. They won't enter at all unless they want to lose their ship.

But it is not just brawling versus kiting. If I am in a brawling ship now and someone warps in I can try to catch them at the warp in. Or I can stay on the button or align away from warp in to see how they are actually fit. For example most destroyers and frigates can be fit as kiting or brawler. Are they mwd fit? Are they shooting with long range guns? etc. This space between the two combatants helps good players make educated decisions.

This new warp in will mean more decisions will need to be made before the enemy is even on grid. Hence we will have allot more warp offs where there at least potentially could be fights. Either that or people will just agree to make pvp more of a crap shoot.

Completely agree here. Kiters will not enter plex.
We will see a spam of double repped Incursus in the smallest plex. You enter with Condor to kite->You are in scram range=You have no chance.

I would rather do it like that: Let the beacon/warpout distance as it is at offensive plexes and move the warpout to 10km at beacon at defensive plexes.

That was the point I was trying to make. Camping the beacon and running the timer shouldn't be done simultaneously by one ship. I'm ok with the idea of closing the button to beacon....but not that much.

I think they want to get rid of "bot" plexing by doing this change. I believe they already reduced bots considerably by making npc removal mandatory. I don't know if it is necessary to be working on bot removal in plexes anymore.

They are the same from a mechanics point of view, it's just that the rats make things different for either faction, the only way I can think of doing this would be to have two buttons one for either faction, linked with one timer but one closer to the warp in for the defender.

You are not thinking hard or long enough

- Defender spends 10s on timer after which it begins to count down on its own even if defender leaves vicinity/plex/system.
- When a timer has been set to auto-run, initial spawn withdraws as "poddies got our backs!" and future spawns are halved (read: double spawn cycle).
- When an attacker enters capture range, timer immediately resets if on auto-run, but spawn cycle remains 'gimped'.
- Half of LP-for-Kills (LfK) within a plex earned by a defender counts towards system VP pool and LfK is doubled on grid.
- Defensive plexes yield no LP on their own (more than covered by 2x LfK).

= Defensive work suddenly requires actual defence as the gunless frig running from all enemies will effectively hand plexes to the enemy.
= Defensive LP farms are eliminated.
= Aggressive/effective pew defence can make more LP than current "run-away!" stratagem.
= Defender acquires ability to defend system even though plexes themselves are lost provided they kill enough of enemy to counter VP gained by plexes, essentially trading ISK/stockpiles (and killboard epeen) for system VP.
= Attacker has to be on the ball in any/all systems being targeted lest defender use auto-run to seize plexes.

btw i haven't found a single major plex. Whats the status of the FW changes? Is feedback to the current state of the complexes even wanted?

The NPc’s now seem to have changed; I only encountered one wave of one NPC in each plex. NPC is there on warp in no more NPC’s spawned.

My vexors drones easily dealt with the cruiser in a medium, I returned in an incurses to tackle the next wave no more NPC’s.

In the same incursus, single rep about 200dps with void I then: -

Easily killed the frigate in a Rookie.

Tanked the destroyer in a Small for a bit before killing it.

Killed a cruiser in a medium facility.

Killed a battlecruiser in a large compound. This took a little while (couple minutes tops) but orbiting close I was in no danger. Did not even need repper.

I assume these are not finished and that more will be introduced. In the larger sites I feel it the frigates (not present now) that will need to be beefed up, a single battlecruiser is easy to speed tank.

Thanks for posting this information.

What sort of tags did they drop?

It sounds like rats active tanks need to be beefed up a bit. But really I think its foolish for ccp to assume rats will be the protection of faction war. To the extent CCP keep focusing on rats as the defense, plexing will remain a farming pve game.

CCP needs to focus on giving players the tools they need to defend their space. Unfortunately I do not see anything in retribution that will accomplish that.

Lots of time and resources spent changing tiers around and lots of resources tweaking with npcs. Nothing to help players defend their space through pvp.

A year ago I would have yielded that argument to you, but now that CCP has thrown LP into the mix the NPCs are no longer optional so we have to include them in all future deliberations.

Feedback system would go a long way towards allowing pew as the principal defence which should come around Soon™, which leaves NPCs as a way for CCP to suggest/dictate how and in what plexes ought to be run.