Jita Park Speakers Corner

not trying to restart old arguments but it is a tactic that needs to be addressed

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Rather than to think in terms of moongoo, a player driven economy would include the total financing of entities by players. Moongoo has disadvantages. It causes powerblocks and less pvp because moongoo pays the reimbursement and the loser doen't become the economy to win wars. A player financed alliance or corp is only depending on the player base not on bottlenecks like today. Ift woul be more than like a big social group. Only whenan alliance is able to activate their pilots, they should be able to win a war.

So I propose a different approach:

1. encourage alliances to activate pilots for the economical challenges of the alliance . A war should be only possible when an alliance or coalition has the backbones of PVP and industry.
2. give the alliances and corp more tools to be social (access rights starbases and production slots, wallet)

Your whole rebalance idea would only change the amount of supercap kills per month to zero. If you nerf things too much people will only use it as POS decoration, not fielding it in combat.

I left this in another forum post, I will leave it here also (I consider myself a bittervet)...

my wish list to keep me subscribed in order of preference:

Small little things:

- Give us the possibility to change chars in the same account without the need to login again
- Allow us to create Industry and invention jobs that required less clicking and that allows us to make bulk actions
- PI extractors stop, start or restart of 1 planet in one mouse click in the command center
- POS module online queue
- Big nice red Jump/bridge buttons in the overview for Capitals (and subcaps near JBs) instead of menus
- Give shield pilots a equivalent to a slave set
- Give armor pilots a equivalent to a crystal set

Priority 1 fixes needed in this game:

- Give us a new and improved POS (POS revamp)
- Improve SOV system and reduce structure griding
- Finish ships tiercide (including Capitals); Fix black ops and electronic attack ships; fix leviathan and chimera;
- separated local intel from chat system
- Give us a new overview, local intel and chats UI
- Fix null-sec industry
- Fix moon mining (for example, make it work like PI)
- Give us a new industry and invention UI with less cluter, user friendly, futuristic look and that cuts with the tipical excel windows look that we have nowadays; and above all that required less clicking please!
- Improve invention and manufacturing mechanics
- Fix the T2 BPO problem (for example, by removing the research copy ML -4 and give it 0 by default... just an idea)
- Give alliances the proper tools to tax corps, mining and moon mining, get rent money from (blue) POS in their space

New long expected features:

- Give us new integrated accounts system where I can see all my accounts / characters, only login once and lunch multiple clients (one for account of course) from it.
- Allow the possibility (only for POSes) to reserve several slots and associate them to a queue and then the possibility to schedule up to 100 jobs in that queue independent of my max jobs skills and let the pos alocate them automatically having in account my max jobs skills and slot availability.
- Allow us to fly customized painted ships
- Give alliances, corps and players tools to make military , trade, ratting, mining, moon mining agreements (a.k.a treaties)
- Give us more t3 ships
- Give give us more end-of-game contents for vets like achievements, more skills, more caps like carriers T2

Nice to have:

- Find a proper role for titans and supers in the battle field
- Give us all the remaining ships (including caps) with the shader v3 skins
- Replace the ugliest ships in this game with new hulls
- Give us more t1 ships, clearly there are still areas that need more ships (for example, like Electronic warfare/logi destroyers or a new t2 command destroyer; or Electronic warfare battleships for other races other than the caldari, etc)
- Continue fixing and improve more and more visual effects
- Give us more station models for 0.0 (for example, just allow us to deploy all the station models that exist in empire is the easier way)
- Make mining fun (I can dream right?)

Comments

1. The Disclaimer
Almost every document that involve CCP communication come with the disclaimer that CCP do not commit to implement ideas presented by the community. That is understandable, as a company they can not and should not simply do as told. The issue is that they don't communicate. When the community ask for communication or commitment from CCP, what we want them to commit to is the discussion. We want them to explain and motivate their decisions. We want them to enter into argument with us and stand for the position they take on important matters.

Giving us the decision and motivating their own decisions are two different things. We don't expect the former.

The CSM should strongly remind CCP of this. Do not let the former be a caveat for the latter.

We want CCP to talk to us (through CSM or elsewhere), explain why, motivate the choices they make, accept criticism and respond to it - we don't want them to simply do as told (by a majority or otherwise). Progression through conflict.


2. Farms & Fields - IS - EVE
It's down right frightening reading that "a revamp of 0.0 is low on the list at the moment". That would equate to saying that EVE is low on the list for EVE-development. Issues that relate to the Farms & Fields initiative deal with the interaction and progression of the game. To me, it's a development strategy that both ensure piecing a fractured game together again and lowering total workload by focusing on content that affect everyone, rather than reaching out to a fractured community one by one. That is why F&F is important and why a "Nullsec revamp" is so important beyond what the word Nullsec entail. It affects everyone, it's there to create content for everyone in all regions of the game. The CSM must be able to clobber that message by thick skulls.

If you look at the list of items in the document, several other passages pertain to F&F in some way: The POS-revamp have F&F concerns (aka. scalability concerns, because that is what F&F is; Farms and Fields each represent one scale or scaling, meant to illustrate how content in the game should have the full spectrum to include- or appeal to all players). It should be independent of where you are or how you choose to play, so it can be used everywhere by everyone. The small scale objectives item is part of the same discussion, in a way, so is Ring Mining. It's a question of scaling and progressing mining from Empire and out, driving complexity and reward from one scale to another. That's how it should appeal to Empire as much as it should anyone in Sovnull. The very notion of "X does not pertain to me since i am a Y-player" should signal that something is wrong, within a reasonable span.

The reason small scale get multiple mention have to do with small scale objectives (the impact, or impression they have) sorely lacking, while large scale objectives do not lack - they just rest on unappealing mechanics. The important connection to development strategies here is that: Any change to one should include both, as with the POS revamp. You can't create specific "small gang content" and leave larger objectives to fester. The smaller scale content should provide alternatives alongside differently scaled content. There should be multiple ways to interact with a mechanic, multiple means to the same end so different groups can interact with each other.

Anyone who belive that F&F is "only for existing nullsec players" have completely misunderstood the point. It's just as much meant to be appealing for you to go live there and give you content there when you visit.

The problem with Sovnull now is that there is essentially just large-scale content for large-scale groups, which drive smaller-scale organisations away from that area and away from interacting with large groups. That situation is what feed many of the shallow issues the playerbase raise: "space bushido", "wormhole CSM candidates" and "empire only players" are all results of alienation, which stem from poor interactivity in mechanics and continued game-design. The development strategies employed: theme-parking, which is the direct opposite of a sandbox.

You can't say sandbox and do themepark.

That dual mining/PVE site is interesting indeed. Quoting whole post for effect.

EDIT: OK looks like im all caught up. There were a lot of good posts (and some bads) so if i didn't quote you dont take it personally, im probably spamming the thread already as it is haha

Examples for Consideration
The following examples, in alphabetical order, are included to provide concrete illustrations of a pillar-based approach in practice. These examples center on themes and concepts widely considered by existing subscribers as significantly broken and would likely need to be spread out over two expansions/12 months. Each area is a significant problem taking money out of CCP’s pocket through lost or missed subscriptions. They are not wish-lists, but rather illustrations of how new features and iteration can be weaved into powerful, themed expansions with broad demographic appeal.