EVE General Discussion

I love how everyone seems to be ignoring the fact that you can STILL make more money in highsec regardless of any Risk vs. Reward ****. I'm pretty sure that's why the sov upgrades where implemented, to allow people living in 0.0 to ACTUALLY live in 0.0, instead of PvPing in 0.0 and living in highsec running lvl4's.

We've basically gone full circle and are back to the point where 0.0 is poor as ---- on a personal (not alliance) level.

Nerf missions and buff 0.0 to a level where Risk vs. Reward is viable again, screw the value of isk, it'l balance out sooner or later.

I just hate it when people are wrong. Not even wrong via the proxy of my interpretation of a statement being subject to my opinion about whether or not something is wrong. But when someone is basically just wrong.

QFT.

Also, pre-dominion, wealth was much more concentrated in the hands of R64 moon owners (and T2 BPO holders).

With the Dominion patch (as much as I loath its Sov mechanics), the smaller guy was able to make some ISK in order to afford the next level of ships for which s/he had been training. The little guy was finally able to gain some financial independence WHILE LIVING AND FIGHTING IN NULL-SEC.

This should not be underestimated.

When a pilot makes bank and generally spends most of their in-game time in null-sec with corp mates, the social fabric (MMO, right?) of the entity is far superior than when there are a bunch of high-sec mission / Incursion runners who may or may not actually be around to fight roaming gangs or defend a structure timer.

How CCP believes that it is better for corp members to segment themselves off into high and null-sec groups is beyond me.

And CCP Greyscale never responded to this type of question once he shat out the anomaly change this past Spring. Furthermore, Greyscale never addressed the significant loss of ISK invested by smaller entities in Sovereignty structures and upgrades rendered valueless by the anom change. It is not that these items were auto-magically destroyed, but that the entities installing them honestly believed that they would see X-return when, post-patch, they were shafted with Y-returns.

If there was ever a change to raise the ire of the subscriber base, this was it. [edit]And then CCP released Incarna. A double whammy in the same quarter did nothing good for CCP's relations with its customers.[/edit]

Is CCP Greyscale still employed by CCP?

Yes.

An unmentioned part of the anom problem is that most of them suck terribly.Other than the 2 flavors of havens and sanctums, the only anom worth doing is forsaken hubs (which ROCK btw, I don't even screw with sanctums and havens when forsaken hubs are available).

All the other hubs (regular, forlorn, and hidden) suck magical unicorn balls, and the rally points aren't even worth considering. You don't NEED more havens and sanctums, you could simply make it to where the other anomalie types don't suck so much.

And on any system below -0.4 you only get 2 forsakens and 1 haven (the ugly child version) at MIL V. So you're talking about a shitload of money, a lot of logistical work to get that system upgraded, then a lot of grinding to up the military level (good luck if you only have a handfull of belts) only to get 2 forsaken hubs and 1 haven of the sucky sort.

And by the way!? Forsaken hubs are bugged. More often than not they will not spawn any rats and the GM's can't do anything about it. The solution is waiting for 3 to 4 consecutive DT's in the hopes that they will be fixed for a day, only to bug out again.

You know, everyone's FiS darling Soundwave also had his pretty hand on this =)

Please elaborate how you get those numbers.

How many accounts running the things etc and how many ISK/account

Because even prenerf you were NOT able to make 100m from Sanctums/Havens with one account.

20m/tick witha Subcap and 25m with a carrier which translates to 60/75m ISK/hour. With a Salvaging/Looting Alt that may be boosted a little. But with a single ship you'd get nowhere near 100-170m from Anomalies even pre-nerf!!

I am not sure about missions/Incursions, because LP factor into your calculation (which is no ISK faucet fortunately)

For let's say 100 null guys I know 40% have at least 3 accounts, 10% single account and 50% from 3 to 20accounts... I could almost safely say null is populated with alts.

I dont see why ppl want to force carebears to nullsec by nerfing highsec stuff, just so some ppl can get some easy killmails

Null just needs to be flexible with many many pvp options/contents.