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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-11-16 18:45:21 UTC
A few years ago as a noob in a terrible corp I wanted to pvp. Being with terrible players that I like forced me to teach myself to pvp. Grabbing my trusty rifter I went around the local neighborhood of hek and started can flipping. Great fun lots of fun kills and deaths for a 2 month old noob. Those days are behind me, however when I tried to get my RL friend into eve Low Sec pvp was far to difficult for his non PC master race minds to handle for the time being. Of course I decided I teach them to do what I did to start off and can flip and we enjoyed much sucess and my friend got two battlecruiser kills with his incursus on his first night. Sadly, he could not continue to play for RL reasons.

Now I would like to ask why CCP? Why are you nerfing can flipping? Carebears know the risks involved in pooping their ore and pay accordingly. If anything it gives noob miners a first taste of pvp.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Itala D'Uhmri
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-11-16 19:00:03 UTC
I for one welcome our new PvP overlords.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#3 - 2012-11-16 20:33:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Ayeipsia
Join RvB. Fun pvp without the hassle of flipping cans.

Editted to add:

Who the heck jetcan mines now anyways? Most mining ships have a large enough internal ore hold that jet canning isn't worth it.
Mabon Clave
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-11-19 20:35:21 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:


Who the heck jetcan mines now anyways? Most mining ships have a large enough internal ore hold that jet canning isn't worth it.
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-11-19 20:41:14 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Who the heck jetcan mines now anyways? Most mining ships have a large enough internal ore hold that jet canning isn't worth it.

I still see folks mining with the mining cruisers (Osprey and Vexors) and still jetcanning. And over a period of time longer than needed to get into a retriever. I've never asked them why they haven't gone with a barge.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2012-11-19 20:58:27 UTC
Let all complain about stuff that hasnt been released yet and how mechanics that arent yet changed are broken because of this upcoming change.

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#7 - 2012-11-20 12:07:51 UTC
can flipping was already nerfed to death when orca came.
Nihi Lismus
A Lone Wolf Inc.
#8 - 2012-11-20 14:32:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Nihi Lismus
Commander Ted wrote:
Now I would like to ask why CCP? Why are you nerfing can flipping? Carebears know the risks involved in pooping their ore and pay accordingly. If anything it gives noob miners a first taste of pvp.

I don't think so...
They have no idea what they are more or less agreeing to, when they drop their ore into a flipca... erm jetcan


edit: there's nothing bad about this. I've learned that lesson the hard way. And it's a lot of fun reading them, complaining about that in local

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Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#9 - 2012-11-20 15:07:09 UTC
These new changes are going to be great IMO. Now my jetcan-mining-in-a-cruiser-bait alt doesn't even have to be in my corp!

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Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#10 - 2012-11-22 12:46:36 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
A few years ago as a noob in a terrible corp I wanted to pvp. Being with terrible players that I like forced me to teach myself to pvp. Grabbing my trusty rifter I went around the local neighborhood of hek and started can flipping. Great fun lots of fun kills and deaths for a 2 month old noob. Those days are behind me, however when I tried to get my RL friend into eve Low Sec pvp was far to difficult for his non PC master race minds to handle for the time being. Of course I decided I teach them to do what I did to start off and can flip and we enjoyed much sucess and my friend got two battlecruiser kills with his incursus on his first night. Sadly, he could not continue to play for RL reasons.

Now I would like to ask why CCP? Why are you nerfing can flipping? Carebears know the risks involved in pooping their ore and pay accordingly. If anything it gives noob miners a first taste of pvp.


Clearly you are looking at this wrong. Now instead of getting flashy to one mining noob by flipping a can you are getting flashy to all of eve by flipping a can. This is a good thing. Now you will have thousands of potential noobs who may shoot at you and then die under your guns.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#11 - 2012-11-22 21:11:50 UTC
Disastro wrote:
Commander Ted wrote:
A few years ago as a noob in a terrible corp I wanted to pvp. Being with terrible players that I like forced me to teach myself to pvp. Grabbing my trusty rifter I went around the local neighborhood of hek and started can flipping. Great fun lots of fun kills and deaths for a 2 month old noob. Those days are behind me, however when I tried to get my RL friend into eve Low Sec pvp was far to difficult for his non PC master race minds to handle for the time being. Of course I decided I teach them to do what I did to start off and can flip and we enjoyed much sucess and my friend got two battlecruiser kills with his incursus on his first night. Sadly, he could not continue to play for RL reasons.

Now I would like to ask why CCP? Why are you nerfing can flipping? Carebears know the risks involved in pooping their ore and pay accordingly. If anything it gives noob miners a first taste of pvp.


Clearly you are looking at this wrong. Now instead of getting flashy to one mining noob by flipping a can you are getting flashy to all of eve by flipping a can. This is a good thing. Now you will have thousands of potential noobs who may shoot at you and then die under your guns.

^^ This. If you want PVP this new system will bring you all you can handle and more.

The only thing nerfed is ganking noobs, which is bad form anyway.

The previous risk free kills by can flipping gankers has been exchanged for massive potential for open PVP. I am sure gankers will find a way to exploit this. At least now the gankers will have the possibility of a fair fight, or even facing bad odds rather than a guaranteed win.

Ganking is not real PVP. Real PVP requires the target to shoot back. This new change will turn the standard ganking into real PVP and provide more fights for everyone. An actual good PVPer who goes out ganking will now get kills from not only the gank target, but any wanna be PVPer in the area that thinks they can take the ganker. Only the gankers with no REAL PVP skills will be hurt by this change.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-11-22 21:24:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Just to clarify, I have not can flipped in a long time, the reason I don't want it to leave is that it is easy to do pvp for the nublets.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#13 - 2012-11-22 21:43:20 UTC
Lol hi-sec is too hard.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#14 - 2012-11-25 16:31:11 UTC
Bugsy wrote:

^^ This. If you want PVP this new system will bring you all you can handle and more.

The only thing nerfed is ganking noobs, which is bad form anyway.

The previous risk free kills by can flipping gankers has been exchanged for massive potential for open PVP. I am sure gankers will find a way to exploit this. At least now the gankers will have the possibility of a fair fight, or even facing bad odds rather than a guaranteed win.

Ganking is not real PVP. Real PVP requires the target to shoot back. This new change will turn the standard ganking into real PVP and provide more fights for everyone. An actual good PVPer who goes out ganking will now get kills from not only the gank target, but any wanna be PVPer in the area that thinks they can take the ganker. Only the gankers with no REAL PVP skills will be hurt by this change.


This 100%, and without netral R&R people will go for it, HS combat starts to look very interesting to me after 4th December, hell I might even prefer that to being blobbed by the CFC!!!!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#15 - 2012-11-26 08:26:25 UTC
Out of say 20 people in local, how many would actually take up the challenge, one, two perhaps?

I am pretty sure that after the 4th of december there will be a lot of questions like "OMG, there is a flashy player, what should I do?" to which the common answer will be "Ignore him!"

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-11-26 15:10:09 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Out of say 20 people in local, how many would actually take up the challenge, one, two perhaps?

I am pretty sure that after the 4th of december there will be a lot of questions like "OMG, there is a flashy player, what should I do?" to which the common answer will be "Ignore him!"

if this is true then new system doesn't change anything for "pvpers". so why so much tears about it?

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Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#17 - 2012-11-27 16:06:41 UTC
Confirming that can flipping and mission invasion is still alive and well, and probably will be even better after Dec 4. You'll just need to adjust your plans and current schemes.

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#18 - 2012-11-27 17:38:07 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Out of say 20 people in local, how many would actually take up the challenge, one, two perhaps?

I am pretty sure that after the 4th of december there will be a lot of questions like "OMG, there is a flashy player, what should I do?" to which the common answer will be "Ignore him!"

Exactly my point. This will not hurt high sec PVP. On the off chance someone does engage it is just one more fight. Any skilled PVPer can expect a few fights for every successful gank. But the gankers that are actually afraid of targets that shoot back will be afraid to undock.
A win win as far as I am concerned. I don't gank in high sec, not just because I don't enjoy shooting defenseless targets, but because I don't see the point in driving down my security status for a kill that will look embarrassing on my KB.

I will likely shoot at those with active GCC as I do not mind ganking gankers. And if they do fight back I might get a few good fights out of it.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-11-27 18:04:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Commander Ted wrote:
A few years ago as a noob in a terrible corp I wanted to pvp. Being with terrible players that I like forced me to teach myself to pvp. Grabbing my trusty rifter I went around the local neighborhood of hek and started can flipping. Great fun lots of fun kills and deaths for a 2 month old noob. Those days are behind me, however when I tried to get my RL friend into eve Low Sec pvp was far to difficult for his non PC master race minds to handle for the time being. Of course I decided I teach them to do what I did to start off and can flip and we enjoyed much sucess and my friend got two battlecruiser kills with his incursus on his first night. Sadly, he could not continue to play for RL reasons.

Now I would like to ask why CCP? Why are you nerfing can flipping? Carebears know the risks involved in pooping their ore and pay accordingly. If anything it gives noob miners a first taste of pvp.


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Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
#20 - 2012-11-27 19:18:21 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Commander Ted wrote:
A few years ago as a noob in a terrible corp I wanted to pvp. Being with terrible players that I like forced me to teach myself to pvp. Grabbing my trusty rifter I went around the local neighborhood of hek and started can flipping. Great fun lots of fun kills and deaths for a 2 month old noob. Those days are behind me, however when I tried to get my RL friend into eve Low Sec pvp was far to difficult for his non PC master race minds to handle for the time being. Of course I decided I teach them to do what I did to start off and can flip and we enjoyed much sucess and my friend got two battlecruiser kills with his incursus on his first night. Sadly, he could not continue to play for RL reasons.

Now I would like to ask why CCP? Why are you nerfing can flipping? Carebears know the risks involved in pooping their ore and pay accordingly. If anything it gives noob miners a first taste of pvp.


CCP = Protecting the stupid, rewarding the lazy.



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