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Pod-of-Goo Lore Should Change

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-11-19 09:45:16 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Many SW fans don't acknowledge that Jar-Jar Binks ever existed


I don't get why people hate him so much. Try watching Star Trek Voyager sometime and tell me if you don't think Neelix is infinitely more irritating.


I don't se how that's relevant. Getting hit in the face with a fist isn't going to feel good just because getting repeatedly hit in the balls by a baseball bat feels worse.

Kindly stop your objections. All I wanted was an excuse to talk about Voyager.


I'm objecting to the logic of one bad thing making another excusable. I have no objections to the topic of discussing Voyager. It's largely a horrible show with terrible characters and a few redeeming episodes. It's still a very fun show to ***** about, since it is compromised mainly from fail and unfulfilled potential.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#22 - 2012-11-19 09:50:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
ColdCutz wrote:
stuff... CCP has already done the right thing by having a player decant from his or her pod with every CQ visit.

...more stuff

Well, someday I guess there will be WiS and hopefully FiS (Fighting in Stations P) too. I would welcome, if pod pilots would loose a lot of skillpoints when dying outside their pods.

Imagine when evil folks breach the security of CQ and gank a pilot on his couch Lol.

Remove standings and insurance.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#23 - 2012-11-19 09:53:15 UTC
ColdCutz wrote:
I don't acknowledge any lore that states the player is 'driving' his or her ship in a Pod-of-Goo; that's simply uninteresting and unengaging to be honest. I'm practically a couch-potato in real life with EVE, so I don't want to be a vegetable in my Space Exploration Fantasy World. I'd like to have the lore put me on the bridge of a Frigate or Cruiser interacting with my crew and ship systems the old-fashioned way; you know, pointing and barking orders! CCP has already done the right thing by having a player decant from his or her pod with every CQ visit.

Ok, it has to be this and this way because a huge battleship can't be controlled fast enough without a genetically enhanced player controlling it with his mind. Whatever. It's all fiction and can be changed without further violating the laws of Physics. No planetary motion? No probs. No double-star systems (every stargate needs one?) No big deal. I just want to captain my ship like Rourke. Come on. I shouldn't even have to ask how Clear Skies would've been if JR was on a TV screen the whole time. Or that little bit in Clear Skies 2 when he's in the ESCAPE POD (no goo) and he can't find the com button? I LOVE That!!!


I like the lore as it is. You can think what you like, it wont change it.

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Hrothgar Nilsson
#24 - 2012-11-19 09:56:43 UTC
Simple solution... OP imagine it so, and his pod is just an escape pod.

I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe...

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion...
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
#25 - 2012-11-19 10:50:09 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
I like the lore as it is. You can think what you like, it wont change it.

There's obviously going to be some who like it and some who don't. I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one in the later group.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#26 - 2012-11-19 11:47:47 UTC
ColdCutz wrote:
I don't acknowledge any lore that states the player is 'driving' his or her ship in a Pod-of-Goo; that's simply uninteresting and unengaging to be honest.



"I dislike the complex and long running lore within the game and therefore I think it should be changed because I want to imagine my guy elading a cool alphamale life rather then mimicking my own betamale life".

Wow.

If you want to shout orders at people be a fleet commander.

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YuuKnow
The Scope
#27 - 2012-11-19 11:58:23 UTC
-1

Right... change the lore that has literally been there for 10 years pre-lease so that you can happy... riiiiiiiight.

I like the pod-of-goo lore. Combined with the camera drones makes for some good tech-porn and fits with the RL military trend of gradually reduced manning requirements (think Sulaco in Aliens).

In fact, I don't know why *any* ships needs a crew at all. On board drones and nanites can handle mopping the floors.

yk
Doddy
Excidium.
#28 - 2012-11-19 12:04:54 UTC
ColdCutz wrote:
I don't acknowledge any lore that states the player is 'driving' his or her ship in a Pod-of-Goo; that's simply uninteresting and unengaging to be honest. I'm practically a couch-potato in real life with EVE, so I don't want to be a vegetable in my Space Exploration Fantasy World. I'd like to have the lore put me on the bridge of a Frigate or Cruiser interacting with my crew and ship systems the old-fashioned way; you know, pointing and barking orders! CCP has already done the right thing by having a player decant from his or her pod with every CQ visit.

Ok, it has to be this and this way because a huge battleship can't be controlled fast enough without a genetically enhanced player controlling it with his mind. Whatever. It's all fiction and can be changed without further violating the laws of Physics. No planetary motion? No probs. No double-star systems (every stargate needs one?) No big deal. I just want to captain my ship like Rourke. Come on. I shouldn't even have to ask how Clear Skies would've been if JR was on a TV screen the whole time. Or that little bit in Clear Skies 2 when he's in the ESCAPE POD (no goo) and he can't find the com button? I LOVE That!!!


Clear skies has a lot to answer for tbh. If it really upsets you that much just pretend you aren't a capsuleer, you clearly don't want to be one.
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
#29 - 2012-11-19 12:28:39 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
-1

Right... change the lore that has literally been there for 10 years pre-lease so that you can happy... riiiiiiiight.

I like the pod-of-goo lore. Combined with the camera drones makes for some good tech-**** and fits with the RL military trend of gradually reduced manning requirements (think Sulaco in Aliens).

In fact, I don't know why *any* ships needs a crew at all. On board drones and nanites can handle mopping the floors.

yk

Because the Sulaco is a realistic example of a futuristic military ship. How asinine can you be. They made it manned by 15 people for the horror plotline of being alone in space. Having a behemoth starship with a fuckton of windows serving no purpose at all is some of the worst excuse for sci-fi out there. Certainly doesn't make for 'good tech-****' and it certainly isn't complex.
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
#30 - 2012-11-19 12:34:08 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Clear skies has a lot to answer for tbh. If it really upsets you that much just pretend you aren't a capsuleer, you clearly don't want to be one.

Clear skies has a lot to answer for... riiiiiiiight.
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#31 - 2012-11-19 12:39:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Eli Green
Take your concerns to the relevant sub-forum next time.

edit: now in relevant sub-forum ShockedQuestionBear

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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#32 - 2012-11-19 12:43:17 UTC
Moving to EVE Ficiton.

But on another note, I much prefer being an immortal demigod coldly detached from the insignificant cells that inhabit the metallic engine of destruction that is my body that is called a spaceship, rather than some dude barking orders to a navigation officer. I think; I move. I think; I fire. I think; I kill.

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Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-11-19 14:06:30 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
Moving to EVE Ficiton.

But on another note, I much prefer being an immortal demigod coldly detached from the insignificant cells that inhabit the metallic engine of destruction that is my body that is called a spaceship, rather than some dude barking orders to a navigation officer. I think; I move. I think; I fire. I think; I kill.


+1

Squishy fleshy thing bad. Steely killy thing good.

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-11-19 14:56:31 UTC
Why would I ever give up the ability to feel the solar wind on my skin, to see X-Rays as they zip past my hull, or unflinchingly rain death and destruction on enemies hundreds of kilometers away just because pod-goo is icky? We are demi-gods of destruction, not mortals with a penchant for violence and the occasional sadistic streak.

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Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-11-19 15:10:26 UTC
ColdCutz wrote:
Having a behemoth starship with a fuckton of windows serving no purpose at all is some of the worst excuse for sci-fi out there.


OP seems to not believe Eve ships have crew. I thought we cleared this up years ago.

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#36 - 2012-11-19 16:01:39 UTC
ColdCutz wrote:
I don't acknowledge any lore that states the player is 'driving' his or her ship in a Pod-of-Goo;


So you mean you don't acknowledge any of the lore...

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Alexylva Paradox
#37 - 2012-11-19 17:05:40 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
[..]I much prefer being an immortal demigod coldly detached from the insignificant cells that inhabit the metallic engine of destruction that is my body that is called a spaceship, rather than some dude barking orders to a navigation officer. I think; I move. I think; I fire. I think; I kill.

This.
I think it's one of EVE's most interesting aspects of the setting. Maybe it's because I'm used to roleplaying near immortal demi-gods that gradually lose their humanity (WoD), but it's one of the things that actually contribute to me being immersed in the game. It explains a lot of the behaviour of players that act like they're playing a game, because that's what it feels like.
Players even came up with a psychological condition to explain this behaviour, tentatively called 'capsuleer dementia'. It's why we start to only see other capsuleers as people that matter. It's why we can kill thousands daily without remorse. It's why we get so detached. It's why we have tournaments where our crews die, and it's why we laugh when they do and say "Good fight." to our opponent.
Without pods, we lose a lot of this immersion coming from potentially immersion breaking situations.

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Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-11-19 20:50:06 UTC
So we have this premises:

1. Capsuleers pilot ships while in a capsule.
2. You don't want to pilot ships while in a capsule.
3. Regular humans don't pilote ships while in a capsule.

I will let to you figuring out the solution.
Jiska Ensa
Estrale Frontiers
#39 - 2012-11-19 21:18:30 UTC
I can't believe no one has linked this yet, so here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqzmEtLe8PM
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
#40 - 2012-11-19 23:27:16 UTC
And it has no effect on gameplay. The lore of being a space vegetable will continue to be coldly detached from humanity and therefore uninteresting to many players. Just try making some machinema out of an actual pod-pilot's forays and see if it would gain as much popularity as Clear Skies, Star Wars or Firefly. The results speak for themselves whether you like it or not.
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