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Kostolany
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-20 18:23:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Kostolany
For a new production line, one of my customers, Nerevar Dwemor, is in need for 20b ISK.

We have 10b at the moment from 5 different investors.

8b - Kostolany
1b - Sheynja
500m - Aeona Flux
300m - Jezaja
200m - Capsopie
10b - Liga Freier Terraner (Corp)

Monthly fee is 4% and if it's a scam, i will pay the full amount back to the investors.
10b isn't so much, so we hope to fill up the bond until sunday.

Contact me for more details or ask questions here.
Kind regards

Kostolany

No fear, pain is only temporary.
Countesss
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-10-20 18:36:16 UTC
What guarantee is there that YOU will pay investors back in the event of the scam. How do we know you aren't just going to walk away with 10b isk?

Collateral? Since it's a manufacturing bond there are surely bpo's that can be used.
Tekota
The Freighter Factory
#3 - 2011-10-20 18:37:30 UTC
I'm sorry but the initial memory I have of your name is of you bigging up Phaser Inc as a safe investment.

This would tend to put investments you propose or recommend at something of a disadvantage.
Kostolany
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-10-20 18:56:10 UTC
I understand your both opinion. No problem for me.

to the first: my cusomer don't want to work with collateral. I am sorry.

the second: i bigged up Phaser? They work for it, that it shows like this, but i gave my ebit in full amount to the investors, they lost isk because of my blog.

Why to trust me? give it a try! I have a good name in the german community and i want it to expand to this community. I want to be a third party for the german community. That's my goal.
But if you are scare about to loose 1b, then no bond is designed for you. Here is my word, not more, sorry... and the time will show the worthness of my word, right?

Try it out and make your own experience.
Kind regards

Kostolany

No fear, pain is only temporary.
egola
NSFW federation
#5 - 2011-10-20 19:39:47 UTC
Kostolany wrote:
I understand your both opinion. No problem for me.

to the first: my cusomer don't want to work with collateral. I am sorry.

the second: i bigged up Phaser? They work for it, that it shows like this, but i gave my ebit in full amount to the investors, they lost isk because of my blog.

Why to trust me? give it a try! I have a good name in the german community and i want it to expand to this community. I want to be a third party for the german community. That's my goal.
But if you are scare about to loose 1b, then no bond is designed for you. Here is my word, not more, sorry... and the time will show the worthness of my word, right?

Try it out and make your own experience.
Kind regards

Kostolany


10b is a mighty big amount for a "third party" that hasn't even debut yet.

if you have a good name in the german community why not ask THEM for 10b? i'm sure that there are many, many who are rich enough to support your bond amongst the germans.

for a production line that doesn't work with collateral is like a first-time huge lottery that doesn't work with a third party, both equally unappealing. there is no good reason not to, if you wanna get it researched, it can be arranged, if you wanna make copies, it can be arranged, if you wanna use it while its being held by a third party, it can ALL be arranged.
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-10-20 19:44:05 UTC
Hey guys, let's take this seriously instead of mocking it for the obvious **** it is or just letting it drop to the bottom.

**** you people are stupid.
Julian Koll
The Kollektive
#7 - 2011-10-20 19:44:52 UTC
egola wrote:
Kostolany wrote:
I understand your both opinion. No problem for me.

to the first: my cusomer don't want to work with collateral. I am sorry.

the second: i bigged up Phaser? They work for it, that it shows like this, but i gave my ebit in full amount to the investors, they lost isk because of my blog.

Why to trust me? give it a try! I have a good name in the german community and i want it to expand to this community. I want to be a third party for the german community. That's my goal.
But if you are scare about to loose 1b, then no bond is designed for you. Here is my word, not more, sorry... and the time will show the worthness of my word, right?

Try it out and make your own experience.
Kind regards

Kostolany


10b is a mighty big amount for a "third party" that hasn't even debut yet.

if you have a good name in the german community why not ask THEM for 10b? i'm sure that there are many, many who are rich enough to support your bond amongst the germans.

for a production line that doesn't work with collateral is like a first-time huge lottery that doesn't work with a third party, both equally unappealing. there is no good reason not to, if you wanna get it researched, it can be arranged, if you wanna make copies, it can be arranged, if you wanna use it while its being held by a third party, it can ALL be arranged.


he doesnt cause he kinda got bullied out of the german forums for some reason i seem to have forgotten.
Also he is not or was not working as a 3rd party before, at least not to my knowledge, but is a mid sized investor in different bonds with a questionable success rate.
Kostolany
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-10-21 01:17:31 UTC
I left the german community because of many foolishness behaviour of the moderators there. It was my own decision. I have invested 35 billion ISK in different bonds and shares and the rest of my assets are 52 billion, includes my equipment.

My Character is from 2004. You really think, i will treat that for 10b??? Shocked

Try it out and don't scare about some ISK Ugh - give a chance to a new third party in EvE. But discussion is o.k., go on for it and proof me. You will see, that i will stay.

kind regards
Kostolany

No fear, pain is only temporary.
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#9 - 2011-10-21 03:45:53 UTC
Kostolany wrote:
My Character is from 2004. You really think, i will treat that for 10b??? Shocked

Yes.

Which reminds me, I have a 30b bond I should offer.

Nyan
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-10-21 10:14:12 UTC
Elise DarkStar wrote:
Hey guys, let's take this seriously instead of mocking it for the obvious **** it is or just letting it drop to the bottom.

**** you people are stupid.

i'm sorry but....
are you still poor?Lol

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Kostolany
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-10-21 14:54:02 UTC
Nice guys, if it's possible for you, i will be pleased about to return to topic.

No one have to invest, feel free to make your turn, but let me do my things, too. Stop flaming and whining about scam and so on... everyone know about the risks.
Please stay on topic and discuss this without personal attacks, many thanks.

kind regards
kostolany

No fear, pain is only temporary.
Tekota
The Freighter Factory
#12 - 2011-10-21 17:09:03 UTC
Honest advice:

Now you've revealed your "customer" as Nerevar Dwemor I would advise Nerevar to start his own post requesting funds. There is no need for you to front this operation and, with respect, your name attached probably does Nerevar's chances more harm than good.

Whilst Nerevar Dwemor doesn't appear to have much history in MD, the forum posts I've briefly scanned authored by him tend to leave a favourable first impression.

Trust is a funny thing in Eve, when people question a bond you must realise that they are not necessarily saying you are a scammer (although you may be) but that nothing differentiates you from one. In Eve everyone is guilty unless proven innocent; the default position is "scammer" and one must differentiate oneself from a scammer before anything else. As such I'd advise Nerevar to give consideration to issues such as collateral (you have mentioned he doesn't want to deal with collateral, investors will like to know exactly why - because a scammer wouldn't want to deal with collateral either), API keys (remembering the customisable API), basic business plan etc.
egola
NSFW federation
#13 - 2011-10-21 17:37:45 UTC  |  Edited by: egola
Kostolany wrote:
I left the german community because of many foolishness behaviour of the moderators there. It was my own decision. I have invested 35 billion ISK in different bonds and shares and the rest of my assets are 52 billion, includes my equipment.

My Character is from 2004. You really think, i will treat that for 10b??? Shocked

Try it out and don't scare about some ISK Ugh - give a chance to a new third party in EvE. But discussion is o.k., go on for it and proof me. You will see, that i will stay.

kind regards
Kostolany


fair enough, atleast you explained the deal with the german board. however there is still the issue of collateral, if its a production line what are you(as in the one requesting the isk) using the isk for? new prints, new bpos, materials etc?
egola
NSFW federation
#14 - 2011-10-21 17:42:18 UTC
Tekota wrote:
Honest advice:

Now you've revealed your "customer" as Nerevar Dwemor I would advise Nerevar to start his own post requesting funds. There is no need for you to front this operation and, with respect, your name attached probably does Nerevar's chances more harm than good.

Whilst Nerevar Dwemor doesn't appear to have much history in MD, the forum posts I've briefly scanned authored by him tend to leave a favourable first impression.

Trust is a funny thing in Eve, when people question a bond you must realise that they are not necessarily saying you are a scammer (although you may be) but that nothing differentiates you from one. In Eve everyone is guilty unless proven innocent; the default position is "scammer" and one must differentiate oneself from a scammer before anything else. As such I'd advise Nerevar to give consideration to issues such as collateral (you have mentioned he doesn't want to deal with collateral, investors will like to know exactly why - because a scammer wouldn't want to deal with collateral either), API keys (remembering the customisable API), basic business plan etc.


well third partying a bond is fine, atleast there is the added security of it being two parties instead of one. sure inherently the risk are the same but if his character is indeed 2004 then atleast there is that miniscule possibility that scamming wouldn't be worth it.

nonetheless i agree that a customized api key is definitely needed here.
to OP: the api key takes at most 2-3 minutes to make
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-10-21 17:49:06 UTC
egola wrote:
well third partying a bond is fine, atleast there is the added security of it being two parties instead of one. sure inherently the risk are the same but if his character is indeed 2004 then atleast there is that miniscule possibility that scamming wouldn't be worth it.

I doubt that MD rep would seriously affect the resale value of a high SP character.
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-10-21 18:02:24 UTC
March rabbit wrote:

i'm sorry but....
are you still poor?Lol


idk, is 120b poor?

Are you still an obvious shill alt trying to puff up scam bonds despite it being obvious that the entire institution has collapsed?
Novel1984
The Underworth
#17 - 2011-10-24 17:45:02 UTC
Kostolany wrote:
For a new production line, one of my customers, Nerevar Dwemor, is in need for 20b ISK.

We have 10b at the moment from 5 different investors.

...
10b - Liga Freier Terraner (Corp)

Monthly fee is 4% and if it's a scam, i will pay the full amount back to the investors.
10b isn't so much, so we hope to fill up the bond until sunday.

Contact me for more details or ask questions here.
Kind regards

Kostolany


Confirm, we invest 10b. Hope to get a lot profit, with money that we don't need at the moment.
Capsopie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-10-24 17:50:47 UTC
Confirm the invest of 200m.
Sheynja
Swiss Mining and Trading
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#19 - 2011-10-24 17:53:03 UTC
confirm my invest of 1 b
Jezaja
turaagaq
#20 - 2011-10-24 17:58:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jezaja
Confirm the invest [of 0.3B ISK]

EDIT:

Raised to 0.5 B ISK

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