Player Features and Ideas Discussion

eve has the problem that you always know what is happening around you. To bring a little bit of DayZ to eve, CCP could try the following:

khan's wrath nebula - environmental effect (or find a name which makes sense)
- disables dscan
- disables combat probes
- disables off grid boosters (and on-grid boosting in case CCP decides to fix it)

FAQ:
#1 hey i won't be able to shoot farmers anymore, right?
nope, finding them will be harder but running from you will be harder too -> hardcore mode

#2 isn't that 100% safety for poses
nope, you can't hide them off grid. If you want to find it you will find it. Knowing the system and scouting will be important again

#3 can't i just park at a safe and nobody can attack me?
yeah. but who cares? You can't do anything useful there anyway.

#4 wouldn't combining delayed local + no dscan + no off grid boosting solve three (lets assume bounties are fixed) of eves worst game design problems at once?
yeah and marketing could sell it as feature!


edit: would work best together with proximity chat

i agree with you that there must be something done with local and intel tools in eve but i don't think this will happen any time soon (its a lot of work to solve that properly and there is a lot of resistance from the playerbase to change mechanics in general). A small set of w-space system disabling ALL current intel tools might be a very nice way to define the other extreme and experiment with tactics. And disabling features is not much work for CCP.

you see it from the perspective from the lone pvp player hunting pve ships in w-space. In this case it could be indeed boring - but you never know. Its exploration. DayZ would not be fun if you would know where everybody is. If you don't know what is in the system you may react completely different to player encounters as we are used too in eve.

No, as said above, these systems would just never be used, because your either going to be a hunter and rarely if ever find anyone because you cant do anything but randomly warp to celestials and hope your right, or your the rpey and at any point an enemy could land right on to[p of you with NO WAY to prevent or predict it, and you die.

WH's arent supposed to be "lulz hardcore cant find ****", theya re supposed to be an area of the game with LIMITED tools, not non-existent, to promote cat-and-mouse style gameplay, whereas your idea is spin around 3 times pick a number and hope you score.

just ebcause its fair doesnt mean its enjoyable, no hunter is going to put himself in a position where the only way to find a target is warping between random points for half an hour just to find out no one is aroudn that day, and no prey is going to put themselves in a position where at any random moment a random pirate could warp in with an almost guaranteed kill. its not really fun or enjoyable for either side, kinda like a POS shoot but with the chance of not having anything to shoot at all, same effort required, less pewpew.

What im saying is, and yes i LOVED DayZ, is that DayZ style of zero intel woudl not work for eve, it would create a region that would be avoided like the plague, because the risk/reward would be the butts. in this space you provide you are either A) an attacker who relies on sheer LUCK to find prey, often times not finding any for hours or days on end depending on how many targets decide to risk going into this space, or your B) a target foolish enough to rbing a ship into there KNOWING that the second someone gets lucky and chooses your location, you are 90% guaranteed dead, because you will ahve no way to prepare for them landing on grid with you.


IMO D-SCAN and combat probes are the most balanced intel tools in the game, the only intel tool anyone has a legitimate issue with is Local (which is evil). peoples only GRIPE with D-scan is that they cant automate it (These are people who want D-scan to be like a slightly less Omnipotent tool then local, which would be BAD).

D-scan is balanced because anybody can just rename their ship to match your fleets naming scheme, or cloak, combat probes are balanced because they require sacrificing a ighslot and screen time to run them, these 2 tools together make a balanced play experience.



I guess what im trying to say, and KEEP trying to say, si that creating this space you want wouldnt create the same style of "hardcore" DayZ has, because they are different games, all it would create in EvE is a tedious system of choose A -> warp to A -> no one there, Choose B -> warp to B, repeat, repeat, repeat. theres noa dded gameplay value, it woudl literally be as boring as mining in highsec ALONE,because thats what you would be 90% of the time, ALONE. there wouldnt even be any real risk, since the "prey" would make everything else irrelevant and just stay aligned so that the second the oppoennt loads grid, they are warping off.



There is literally NO way to make this gametype balanced/fun, im sorry, but this idea just WONT work.