EVE General Discussion

I have tried in the past and gotten three of my friends to try EVE out. The problem isn't the combat, getting ganked, or play. The problem is that they didn't want to skill train for days or learn the complexities in EVE. Which is fine it isn't for everyone, honestly one to some extent has to be a masochist to deal with these aspects. If you want to get new players they need to advertise to the right people. Or the player base needs to take initiative and get people into the game. As it stands, EVE-O is a masterpiece of an MMO. Don't change EVE because you want new people. Instead get new people to play.

The biggest thing people have a problem with is establishing themselves with others for group play or competitive play. CCP could make FW more accessible and less time consuming. People don't mind a game that takes great lengths of time to accomplish goals so long as there is some instant gratification along the way.

1. No. Generally bad idea. This isn't EVE-like, and that would just make the experience mind-numbingly bizarre for new players.

2. Not sure about your title, but Lowsec barriers between Faction Space exist in some places and I think would be unacceptable to remove in others. I like the idea in principle, but I don't see how it applies to new players.

3. Dynamic is cool, but that might be a little extreme. The endless nature of Incursions is sort of weird too. Also, it has little to do with persistence, which is something I think many players are looking for. They want to see a lasting effect for their actions. Aside from Null Sov, that doesn't truly happen in EVE; currently, that can't happen in EVE as it would break the game.

Which leaves 4: Continue building on what is already existing and redeveloping EVE as we know it. Enable proper persistence, so new players later can expect to enter a truly dynamic, persistent environment where they not only affect other players, but the game environment itself.

Modding is popular for a reason. People get bored of everything reverting to standard fare after they've done it. Missions are something some people can continuously run without ever truly losing interest because of who they are and how they work inside. They don't account for everybody. Most players ultimately want to impact the game; to have an effect on it and to have other players experience that impact.

This is probably why PvP is so popular.

This would make most of high-sec 1.0 and is a terrible idea.


Yeah, no. Players should create content.

Let's go down the list:

1a. The problem with creating a "total safety" area is that people who perform industry, mining, logistics, and/or trading will have an area where that can affect the grander economy of EVE without fear of being engaged... and they will never leave because... well... WHY would you voluntarily put yourself at risk of loss (of any sort) when you can earn a reliable (if low) income in total safety?
As far as newbies are concerned... creating a "safety zone" for them won't change anything. It won't teach them about scams, how to avoid gatecamps, how to avoid wars, how to deal with any of the aforementioned things when directly faced with them. All it will do it extend the "time of innocence" between where a new player joins and then realizes the dystopian nature of EVE.
If anything... newbies should be "thrown to the fire" earlier so they get a better feel for things.

2a. I've always supported "low-sec borders" between all the empires... but a bone should also be thrown to the risk adverse in compensation. Increase the number of high to low-sec gates and pipes so there are fewer "chokepoints" to get caught at.

3a. I do enjoy the idea of "randomness" occurring once in awhile... so long as it remains, for the most part, an annoyance that simply has to be factored in.

Out of experience, some of the people I have introduced to the game found the sniping nature (in the game itself rather than forums) to be quite lacklustre, not in terms of boring, but blatantly wasteful.


I invited a mate who I'd known for years, he played for a bit, from level 0 moving into null-sec pretty much as soon as the belt rats wouldn't destroy him.... soon after relocation was on the cards, soon after that people started the process of closure, the corp thief allegations, hacker allegations etc.

Ultimately, the best forum drama should be left on the forums, when its a day in day out process its like logging in to see just how disruptive the opposition are.

Other than that a fella that blamed me for getting him hooked on EVE and who used to be the Estonian National Rugby Team Player/Coach still plays. Alliance overlord schemes make it difficult for a "couple of weeks on couple of weeks off" playstyle.

He's looking forward to the expansion though, just not the nerf of his beloved Tengu (he hated drakes with a passion though)

What new players could really use.

1. Rebalance of Newbe Modules that they would not know have fallen out of all practical use. IE Small Shield Extenders, Tiny Plates, Basic Stuff. Make every mod useful in the long run or hit it with the weedwacker.

2. An easily accessible guide to basic, basic ship fitting and explanation of what modules do. Example" Fittings with multiple variants and such that are dissected by what each module does and why it is there. Very important explain single tanking a rigs.

3. Rebalance of all lower Tier Ships so they will be useful with at mid level SP.

4. Revamp T1 Ammo so that more kinds are used and some of them are closer but not as good as their T2 Ammo Counter Parts. Look into Meta IV Gun Drop Rates, they should cost about as much as T2 since Newbie's are the ones using it.

5. A look at basic skill requirements for items and base core skills to adjust what Skills they start off with and lessen priority training time to be basic. For instance all Drones launchable a Drone I, 20% Dmg per Lvl - 10% per Lvl of Drone Interfacing, total = current Dmg.

6. Starting Cash around 1 or 2 mil. Give them a little tiny bit of wiggle room to play around with cheap fits.

7. A reward Boost for ISK Rewards in Lvl 1 and 2 Missions. A Bounty Increase for Frigates, Destroyers and Cruisers Rats found in Lvl 1-2-3 Missions and High Sec Belts. Introduce Cruiser Rats to 0.5 and 0.6 Space.

Like 10k for Frigate Rat, 25k for Destroyer, 50k for Cruiser.

The bottom 1% won't make a dent on inflation because 25 Newbies in Thrashers = a Mach Lvl 4 Grinder.

8. More things to make each system unique so they will go out and explore, move around and not stay in a single system.

9. Guide them into a PvP option just like the Mission or Mining option. let the incentives for PvP be early. Finally when it comes to PvP encourage grouping right off the start. Having a solo T1 Rifter instapop to 3 Hurricanes 2 jumps out is not building any confidence, strength in numbers, let them get their foot in the door.

10. Subliminal Messages in the screen. Unless they find a weird par of sunglasses you are good.

It isn't about safety so much as accessibility and education. You have to make them feel like they are caught up to the pack in terms of know what they are doing a bit quicker but understand that they are not as good yet. You got to get them enough money to throw sh*t at the wall to see what sticks but not to much.

Eve is down 25% in average population over the last 2 years.
Jan 2011 - average weekly population 36k
last week - 27k
(Source eve-offline.net)

Certainly something needs to be done, or all you addicts are going to be looking for a new fix....

Too bad you don't have FC's willing to insist on bringing enough logi to the fight.

I mean with good logi bloc warfare can be a blast.

Which sort of shoots down all your points.

Next time, bring more logi.

I think this is because of EvE community (players) not CCP, i made similar post.
Recipe for more subscibers and active players in EvE

In my theard 70-80% of people and posts are negative and against new players in EvE ( here is tendency to hate carebears etc) while people who love pve are some part of community, in general old dinosaurus are agains changes, they love to play here with actualy status, they dont care about static amount of people online, a lot egoists etc.

Ps. How about giving a carebear a hand and push them to pvp or teach them about EvE aspects like team play - living in corporations, gets frients etc, no!!! community dont like cooperations with carebears, in general carebears are (second quality players) for pvp comunity.

Actually I had more of a mini-event in mind, that lasted no more than a few hours, where the sleepers actually went to random stations and attacked people on the undock, attacked the station itself and disabled all the services, have them scan out an attack plexers, miners, whoever is active.
Either they get bored and leave, or they are driven out.

It was just a thought.....