EVE General Discussion

It's important to remember that the vast majority of reasons people are giving for not living in nullsec are a list of things people who live there don't like about it . We're all in this boat together. The downside of a sandbox game is that devs need coherent feedback about what they need to do to make it better, which puts some responsibility on the players themselves for coordinating and articulating experiences and ideas. No one has ever done before what CCP has done with Eve, which is why it's so fragile but also so ******* great.

and why should I pay for a game which forces me to a play style I don't like, why should I play that game overall?

The very fact that this thread exists, has become very popular, CCP employees are posting in it, and is on page 12 and growing is a clear sign that YOU just don't get it.

There are a lot of very basic fundamental things wrong with 0.0 and sov that it's impossible to ignore.

No one's going to force you to do anything.

I have been in hisec, in lowsec, and was for a time out in null sec. What I have come to think of nullsec is that everything else is done better somewhere else.

We could do sanctums for easy money. Yes, turns out it's like doing level 4 missions, except theres only 2 of them and you repeat and repeat and repeat untill you long for level 4 missions.

Then exploring, this was good, but a lot of the juicy ones were blocked to you because at the end there would be in instapawn cannon making every precaution you did up to that redundant. Lowsec explo i so much better, for the lonely explorer, which I assume is the trademark of exploration.

The PvP has long gone into army warfare, and it is not very fun. Lowsec militias are much more fun. Small groups figting is good, but this will also be easier found in lowsec, or even hisec.

All in all, nullsec stretches the gameplay and it´s mechanics beyond the capability of the game I think. Everything just gets worse.

So what ever changes you do make, make it for the people in those areas, who have already chosen to live in low, null, high or worm hole space. Don't do it to try and get people to move. Won't happen. You will just **** them off.

1. Remove all of the automated money making processes. Tech moons, Moon goos, everything where a person is not directly involved in the process of making the corp/ alliance better. Industialists want to matter. They want to know that they are making a difference to their corp.

Only thing to leave in place is the PI. And screw the new POCO thinking.


If an alliance has 10 tech moons and are making billions of isk a month why would that alliance care about industrialists?

The primary goal for a corp or alliance lokking at a system to conquor should not be tech moons. It should be mining, ratting and PI. The systems that have ice belts become king. The systems with the large numbers of high end ore become king.

Make industrists in the corp/alliance in null = to the pvpers.

By introducing Tech moons and moon goes you pushed out the industrialists.

You have to force a balance of all playing styles in Null to make it successful.

2. Limit the number of players allowed in a alliance/corp.

Right now GSF has what 7000 in their alliance? Of course they can effect the game balance. Lets say you limit the max amount of players in an alliance to 500. You limit the number of players in a corp to 100. That is still large forces.

But the alliance/corp will only be able to control so much based on the numbers they have. This will free up sysxtems that cannot be controlled, cause more fights because of the lower numbers, see sov changes more often.

This in turn will also allow newer corp to access systems that wouldnt have been albe to be in because more systems aare empty.


Just my thoughts.

Hung Tulo.

I'm not entirely sure what the purpose behind this idea is, since it can't possibly be to "revitalize mining" in nullsec unless you've never lived in null.

Eliminating drone alloys wouldn't have much effect on mineral prices in the long run. According to the last quarterly economic newsletter, drone alloys only account for a small fraction of the mineral supply, so eliminating them wouldn't really have much of an effect on overall mineral prices, especially since (1) minerals from drone alloys tend to be used for local production and (2) any increase in price would be quickly offset by an influx of high-sec miners and especially mining macros. Macros and bots depress the mineral market much more than the drone alloys, so if your intent is to make mining more attractive as a profession, then you should focus on eliminating macros and bots, not on homogenizing nullsec.

Eliminating drone alloys would also run contrary to your goal of making nullsec industry more self-sufficient. As things stand, the drone regions are perhaps the only area of nullsec space that is mostly self-sufficient in T1 ships and ammo production. The only reason the drone regions are self-sufficient even in that small regard is because your average PvE-er directly contributes to the local mineral supply. Most other regions, which rely exclusively on miners to supply local minerals, have to import virtually everything from high-sec. There are quite simply not enough miners willing to operate in nullsec space to supply nullsec industrial needs. Miners will not magically show up to fill in the supply void left by drone alloys; if you want to encourage miners to live in nullsec then you need to give them good reason to live in nullsec. But you must recognize at some point that most miners simply will not move into nullsec no matter how lucrative you make it.

Nor do drone alloy drops drive miners away from the drone regions. My own alliance has many pilots whose income comes from mining. This is because the demand for minerals in null exceeds available supply despite the presence of both drone alloys from PvE and ore from mining.

In all, the idea that removing drone alloy drops would in any way help miners is silly. Mineral prices are depressed mostly because of botters and macros, and CCP must focus its efforts on making macromining less lucrative. So is the idea that removing drone alloys would encourage more miners to live in the drone regions; the supply of minerals even in the drone regions is often not enough to fully meet demand even during peacetime, nevermind during wartime when PvE and mining activity is curtailed, and local mineral prices tend to be above Jita average simply because some industrialists import minerals from high-sec to meet their needs. This is especially true for minerals whose ores do not spawn in local belts and which cannot be obtained from drone alloys.

Also keep in mind that drone alloys do not contribute to inflation, unlike bounties. The whole point of the anomaly nerf was to fight inflation, since it quite clearly did nothing to encourage conflict or PvP in any meaningful way and only made life more annoying for nullsec residents. Changing drones to give bounties would be completely counterproductive. If anything, drone alloys are self-limiting, since if the supply of drone alloys ever exceeds industrial demand, then the number of pilots involved in drone PvE will naturally decrease; bounties, on the other hand, are only limited by inflation.

Some lazy pilots have complained that harvesting drone alloys is difficult. But that is not a valid argument. It takes perhaps five minutes for Noctis to fully loot a Drone Horde or Drone Patrol. The only people adversely affected by the need to loot drone alloys are daytripping ratters who do not have access to local stations or POSes.

yeah... Goons are a good authority on telling ppl what they like

Elise, point #2

Why wouldnt it work? I have no problems with you saying it,

I just want to understand your reasoning.