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Amarr T2 Production

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Teebling
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-11-12 03:06:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Teebling
Hey there,

I'd like to make T2 Amarr hulls and T2 energy turrets. I've been doing T1 manufacture and would like to get into T2 stuff without having to buy datacores from the market.

I just want some clarification on assumptions I've made so far:


  • One research agent provides you with the ability to purchase two types of datacores with RP.

  • To do the above two things (Amarr T2 hulls and T2 energy turrets) I'd need four datacore types in total.

  • So therefore I'd have to get access to two research agents that provide the correct two data cores each.

  • I've also heard that the best way of grinding up standings to access these agents is by doing courier missions in a blockade runner.

  • Not all the research agents are equal, and therefore it's likely I'll have to do a lot of grinding to get the two perfect agents (ones that provide the correct data-cores for what I need).

  • Once I've 'hired' these agents, the RP accumulates daily until I spend it.

  • I should be able to do this with one character.


Is everything above correct? And if not, what should I be doing instead?

Also if someone experienced in this field of production could tell me which agents are the best for my needs, then it'd be greatly appreciated. Anyone who thinks I'm too lazy to do my own research - please send me in the right direction if you'd like to post here.
Teebling
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-11-12 03:26:21 UTC
I've done some more research and found two level 4 agents which would be perfect. They're both in Carthum Conglomerate and I'd need to grind up to 5.0 standings to use them.

One agent offers research in Amarrian Starship Engineering and Mechanical Engineering, for the T2 hulls.

The other agent offers High Energy Physics and Laser Physics, for the T2 lasers.

Am I still correct in assuming the each agent can run two research projects each? Meaning that if I got both these agents to research in the 4 fields necessary, I'd be able to get the datacores I need from them?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#3 - 2012-11-12 03:39:58 UTC
Serious manufacturers do not gather all their materials themselves. Just because you won't be able to gather enough, in a reasonable time frame. For example, datacores from research agents are around 1 or 2 a day.

You'll run through at least 2 per invention job.

Aside from that:
Research agents can only get you 1 type at a time.

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Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
#4 - 2012-11-12 04:59:21 UTC
You will not be able to gather enough datacores on your own, you could look at them as... pennies that are rolling in while you are building stuff since thats how many you may get per day. At best, 0.80 cores a day and you will use up 6-10 each per invention slot per day. So you could get 5-10% of the datacores you need from research agents yourself.

However, if you still want to get your own then you need to get either 5.0 corp standing or 3.0 corp standing + 5.0 faction standing to use the lvl4 agents. All of the lvl4 agents gives out the RP at the same speed.

Serious manufacturers buy most of the datacores themselves and only supplement it, if they can be bothered, with the Research Agents.
Lolar55
Banana Toaster
#5 - 2012-11-12 07:30:29 UTC
hulls yes. energy turrets gl making profits with that.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#6 - 2012-11-12 10:27:53 UTC
Lolar55 wrote:
hulls yes. energy turrets gl making profits with that.


http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/3041/-4/5/-4/5

How much isk/hr do you want per production line?

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Grenny Jaaravi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-11-14 19:13:51 UTC
My advice is to never use your own materials to make something. Put your datacore up on sell orders and supply your inventions with datacores from your buy orders. makes much more sense fiscally. Same goes for minerals and manufacturing
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-11-14 23:25:11 UTC
Teebling wrote:

*] One research agent provides you with the ability to purchase two types of datacores with RP.

When you have the standing and required skills you have the option to choose 1 datacore to research based on what skills the agent has listed in their info window. Higher standing with the corp and higher trained skills increase the agent mission level which increased the research points generated per day.

Teebling wrote:

  • I've also heard that the best way of grinding up standings to access these agents is by doing courier missions in a blockade runner.


  • Courier missions are best used for unlocking tons of corporations base standings modified by your skills (instead of having 0 standings) or for grinding out storyline missions. Yes you can chain many courier missions at a time but the standing increases are considerably lower compared to security or mining missions. It really depends on your setup. If you can grind though security missions very quickly because you have alot of SP invested in PVE and a descent mission running boat you'll gain much more standings then running courier missions. I personally do mining missions because I have an orca + 3 alts and can grind though most L4 mining missions in about 5 minutes.



    Teebling wrote:

  • Once I've 'hired' these agents, the RP accumulates daily until I spend it.


  • Correct. The agent will continue to generate research points every reset which just builds up. You will need to visit the agent and buy the datacores with research points + ISK. Leaving the agent will cause you to lose all existing RP. Increasing skills will also automatically increase your RP gains after the next reset.



    Teebling wrote:

  • I should be able to do this with one character.


  • The project managment skill will let you have additional agants. Level 3 is pretty easy to achive so you will have a total of 4 agents per characters.

    You can also always consider grinding out the standings and character training on additional characters on your account to increase your daily yield, but it requires doing the standing grinding separably for each account.


    Acid Kanshi
    AIFAM
    #9 - 2012-11-15 08:27:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Acid Kanshi
    Always better to buy from market because of the amount.

    The value of your datacores from research agents still have market value. They still cost as much as datacores on market. They are not free.

    So instead buy datacores for invention from market.

    Sell your own datacores or save them and buy the needed rest. I personally sell all raw materials I get my own, for business I always buy from market.

    EVE-Cost is a manufacturing tool for EVE players. http://www.eve-cost.eu

    Backfyre
    Hohmann Transfer
    #10 - 2012-11-16 17:50:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Backfyre
    For completeness, presuming the following:

    1. You have regular access to invention and copy slots
    2. You have all the Amarr component and RAM BPOs (and researched)
    3. You have lined up supplies of appropriate PI (e.g. construction blocks)
    4. You have identified a supply of advanced moon materials
    5. You have the necessary data interfaces
    6. You have a supply of appropriate decryptors

    And you're concerned about buying datacores off the market?
    Teebling
    Garoun Investment Bank
    Gallente Federation
    #11 - 2012-11-16 23:20:12 UTC
    Hi all,

    Thanks for your concise and detailed replies.

    Since posting this thread I've realised that T2 production is a lot more complicated than I'd anticipated. My intentions were to be self sufficient with this kind of industrial backing, but I had a good friend explain to me that the EvE market is not designed for self-sufficiency, and that the work I'd have to go through (you guys brought this to my attention) didn't really befit the kind of gain I'd make from it.

    Instead he recommended that were I to begin T2 production that I can't expect to start everything from scratch, and that I'd be better off making a profit with it to buy shiny things rather than trying to be self-sufficient with it.

    I've since decided to stick to T1 production and ME researching a collection of blueprints. T2 will be for another day when I'm more prepared to invest the kind of time and ISK necessary into it, so I will save this thread for when that day comes.

    Thanks again for the replies, I really appreciate it :)
    Roman Fuego
    Brotherhood of Bankrupt Bastards
    #12 - 2012-11-17 04:07:16 UTC
    Don't let the posters put you off. The only thing that can be tricky to get is the steady supply of copies for invention. The rest of the suff you can get at jita and still make a nice profit.