EVE General Discussion

Problem of high-sec: there is nothing to shoot, ransom, grief, etc.....
Problem of low-sec: there is nothing to shoot, ransom, grief, etc.....
Problem of 0.0: there is nothing to shoot, ransom, grief, etc.....

Depending on the region in question... no. Most new players cannot just go straight out and populate WH space and 0.0, there is a great learning curve first of all, and the skill and ISK needed to be competitive in these areas as well as other barriers to entry I wont go into. New players will generally gravitate to high-sec and to a lesser degree low-sec. In order to increase the population in WH and 0.0 space it is the older, more experienced people living in high-sec at the moment that need to move.

That said, forcing players to shift is not desirable. There needs to be enough of a gameplay driver that people want to move to these areas and that new players see these getting to these areas as goals that they can reach.

I would like to add, targeting high-sec players in order to boost the economy is total ass. How about the 0.0 people actually get a decent war going? It's a ******* NAP fest out there. Kill a couple hundred supers and see what happens.

I think we need to encourage the people in low/null to go murder each other. Instead of sending a carebear to go get ****** sideways by a hotdrop.

This answers the OPs question in a nutshell.

What happens in 0.0 drives a great deal of what happens in hi-sec. The demand for ice products, ships, faction ammo, etc etc, comes from 0.0 out of all proportion to the relative population. When the inhabitants of 0.0 don't feel that it's worth fighting in battleships and capitals, hi-sec suffers from the drop in demand. A boost to activity in 0.0 is therefore a boost to the hi-sec economy

Agreed.

Also: There is no valid reason to push players anywhere they do not want to be.

Because Hisec online is not a viable game. Hisec exists because the rest of the game exists. If people aren't transitioning out of hisec, then those other areas will die. When those other areas die, the entire game will follow.

People who are trying to frame this as pushing fodder out for massive nullsec alliances are engaged in a farcically childish narrative. The problem is that CCP as designers and we as a community are failing to provide the proper transitioning environment to get people out of level 4 hubs and hisec belts and into the game the vast majority originally signed on to play.

The incredibly advanced gameplay that is singular to Eve comes with huge barriers to transitioning new people into it. As I've said before, nobody gives a **** about the people who will never under any circumstances venture beyond level 4 missions; the issue is the huge number of players who are finding the transitioning too intimidating or difficult.

The proper way to conceive of this issue is transitions, transitions, and transitions. If this isn't how you're framing the discourse, then you're pissing in the wind.

Hisec players who wouldn't exist if the game's selling point beyond hisec didn't exist.

I dare the tiny vocal minority of committed Hisec Onliners to impede efforts to better balance transitions in this game. I will happily watch this whole game crumble just to laugh in your faces in smug satisfaction.

High-sec and null-sec are two distinct games.
Some transitioning may occur but a glance at the Eve map suggests that not that much.
It has always been so.. at least it has been in my 5+ years in Eve.

It’s two games.

as mentioned in another thread

I've never understood why so much of Null sec is empty and unused. Why take sov in systems you/your members arn't bothering to use/harvest/build up.