Crime & Punishment

Huh, ship recipient (refuse to use thief as ship was given freely) seems to have posted a much more coherent post than op

Very good... keep me posted

PART 2

Then the enemy assault began against Viral Pandemic tower.
This was reported to the conglomerate.

Next day

So one tower went into reinforced and muggins here had a corp-mate telling me that because our tower was not actually attacked that we are not in immediate danger.
This did not go down well with me as it was a little beside the point......

So I asked myself why I should look after the assets of others when clearly they dont value them.
Still the evemails went unanswered
This reduced me to the role of system caretaker for the PvE convenience-on-demand for the benefit of other "friendlies".

The factors together conversely infered that my own tower was about as defended as the amount of time I can be online myself.
The enemy towers were still there after two weeks and despite having the logistics to hand it was too much to ask for a get together of sufficient time and DPS assets from my own conglomerate associates to correct this as was being demostrated to me in action.
Thus I faced the decision of getting my own assets out or waiting to see if my corp mates theory on enemy intent was correct...

Anyhow, i thought some chivalry would be in hand and a promise is a promise so i went to rep the other tower (Viral Pandemic) as the CEO had had to leave IRL and had politely asked me to overwatch his tower on the interim time period. I agreed.
This made about two weeks of late nights for me so far and the repping went into morning hours
However, in that time I DID manage to get two barely started new eve players to come help from a third party corporation who were more help than the entire associate members of the conglomerate.

As the WH was giving RR bonus and with skill restrictions through time availalble we were using spud RR (domi + 4-2 rep) as the mainstay logistics.
I had a pair a T2 fitted 4-2 domi and one was lost during a chain collapsing operation in efforts to find a considerably more friendly area than the one we were linked to on that particular day.
Therefore I requested while I was repping the tower and helping the Mr Thread Writer to get his own corporations ships out (successfuly) for the single domi-logi they had to make a pair up for my own tower (as a single is ineffective for PvP operations and general survival probabilities given that they are cap dependent as a pair).

However, when the "RvB" stand-in FC for the Viral Pandemic corp came online (at my ridiculous o'clock time) and after a Rising Thunder member had pointlessly thrown away an asset which i had asked NOT to be bought in; I was frozen out from being told what was going on (additional to the intel black hole I had already)
I was already annoyed long before this time and tired after operating several characters, and FC'ing, and chasing after people that found it hard to reply to an evemail.

What to do ?!?

So -
I had an RvB FC on viral pandemic freezing me out (under rather strange circumstances)
A corp mate with suicidal intel analysis tendancies
No intel evemail responses from my own group
Tiredness after repping viral tower all night and two weeks of late nights
Responsibility to FC
A large amount of unknown enemy in system
A situation to decide on ASAP

This was not a hard decision to make...

So on wearily awakening to a fresh EU TZ day to the Viral Pandemic tower coming under fire I packed up my tower into haulers, got some ships out, lost ships trying to get out and destroyed the rest myself rather than give the enemy free ships or easy kills.

This included the Viral Pandemics dominix
SO TOUGH LUCK

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Re: hey
From: Mananjistej Black
Sent: 2012.11.10 18:21
To: Amann Nig'ra,

No
Dont ask for anything else from me again

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To his credit he did ask politely

Currently

I am and have been available available for wardec or ganking for as long as this whole episode has gone on for.
It must have been very brave and scary indeed for Mr Thread Writer to set up cans labelling this character a thief in Apanake system........
I am still logged off in J235759 with my tower and have more respect for my rival than I do for my previous associates. I will stay there for as long as I wish and have neither plans to leave nor to attack.
To date I have never been in contact with the Viral Pandemic CEO on TS3 (....), nor in chat, since he left IRL (...).
Several people may believe they have been blocked out of hand and they may be correct in this perspective. However, under the circunstances, the amount of unknowns, and a certain other scary factor this is not going to change.
I have no issues with Mr Thread Writer

Side Note - Anyone that uses my email (not evemail) address as a means for a harrassment through manipulation and abuse of trust I think of as scum. I will respond appropriately.

Less than 100m is the reasoning for this abomination of a thread, excuse me for making seemingly ironically funny comments; because if you are legitimately taking any of this seriously, EVE may not be the game for you.

In before part 3 of a defense dissertation that I will not read.

THIS POST IS OPEN ENDED AS TO WHO IT IS AIMED FOR IN TERMS OF RECIPIENT

Can you please clarify as to whether this is aimed at myself or othewise ?

FYI the dominix was owned by the VP CEO NOT Amann Nig'ra and I was charged with overwatch under promise for the VP tower. It was an asset needed for the task and I was handed it for the task and reacted accordingly to the situation I was presented with on the following EU morning seeing as no-one else was online, due to come online, and no intel STILL. The VP tower could not be reppered up on shield despite having reppered the betteries as much as possible while being distracted from chasing after people that were supposed to be giving help and support readily or at least communicating with the given means already available. I am not interested at being given an intel run down via voice or chat when I have to remember it from memory the following day or sort through chat logs to find what is needed.

The difference on wardec makes no odds to me and hurry up if this is the case as you are talking in terms of less than a month unless situation changes. I would prefer some assist offers for the corps im currently helping out instead unless you intend to be the aggressor as opposed to judge ??? I may be mistaken, but the reply is a little vague at this insane o'clock in my own TZ.

However, the effect in relation to the last line in PART 2 reduced my player income from circa 1.5-2 billion a month down to ratting levels due to association complications...... I simply wont associate with certain groups solely because of single individuals in them, if that drives my accounts out then so be it but I will change tact accordingly in future.

Amann Nig'ra is blameless in terms of an Eve player from my perspective and anyone saying otherwise has me against them regardless of his issue vs my bluntness. He put in the time to repper his CEO's tower without thought for how long he was going for on for on that long night. My own corp mate (CORFF was 2 RL ppl only ever) and Amann Nig'ra amongst a few other I firmly believe had the wool pulled over their eyes by at least one third party playing on the fact of my annoyance at having been forced into such a situation that I was faced with. The circumstances of being frozen out from intel for several days is thus an acceptable state to leave your caretaker of assets to stew in ???

Given the ease at which the members of Viral Pandemic abandoned their own CEO when faced with having to actually hunt me in order to get a fight on their own terms; not telling me until later was not really the news I wanted to hear when assets had been commited to J235759.

There are at least two other people with whom I do have issues currently and their names will not be mentioned. I don't like liars and users, and one character in particular I think of as scum who started out with heart in the right place but lost his way for some reason.

I find it extremely strange that in all this the Viral Pandemic CEO has never "re-appeared" or has asked me direct as to what happened. I kept screenshots BECAUSE the whole situation stank of a power sub-plot from one of the conglomerate members. I still dont have answers to this and under the circumstances am concerned about the VP CEO RL person as he is either the biggest liar I have ever met in game, OR is being used by a third party OR is dead or seriously ill IRL. Do you think that this is a nice set of options to be left with ? I honoured my end of the promise I pledged to him despite risking my own corp assets to do so. I certainly put in the time and have never asked for anything for it other than the team to work together for common long term goals that I was under the impression of being aimed for.

If you (ANYONE) are really willing to wardec me over all this C&P issue. Then please at least take the time to research what you are talking about as there is a lot of information other than a straight 1 vs 1 plaintiff/defendent. Amann Nig'ra is not the issue. Neither is my former corp mate who I flew with from beginning of the game (which actually quite hurts, but I am not changing anything now). Associations have been set and harsh words of truth spoken both ways.

I am having a great time with the last days of my accounts before they lapse with my own 50% share of CORFF assets made with long hours of grinding while doing my best to help many players. CORFF pub wiki has been shut down for now.....

*READ TOS, RESEARCH AND THINK FOR YOURSELF TO WORK OUT THE BLANKS IF YOU ACTUALLY GIVE A DAMN !

If this C&P issue really does make me a target then I am damned both ways.
FYI if you want to wardec me for fun then sure :)
I wont promise to play fair or interesting at all when it comes to PvP.

I can not word this more carefully and I can not say more than I am doing right here.
Frankly. I'm over a barrel, angry and I am very near not caring anymore.

I'm off to go early morning shopping o/

END

I got a bit of a lengthy reply it seems

@Cannibal, I did not lie when I said that I did not have the isk. Viral Pandemic was well off because Jess and Kyo were well off. I was not. I am literally a 6.5 mil SP player that is still trying to get basic skills to fly better ships. My shiniest ship is literally worth your war dec price. Had it been a few hundred mil or if Black refused to explain, I would have paid it to teach a thief a lesson, regardless of the cost of the domi itself.

@Black, when I contacted you a few weeks ago, it was more than a week and a half since the wormhole disaster. I at least saved 1.1 billion of our corp assets, but we lost pretty heavily too. It was only a few days ago that I recieved a reply, by that time I was in Exan. I was the only one really active in Viral Pandemic. I thought Jess had quit (Talked to him yesterday, he is only taking a bit of a break from the game and will be back soon). Kyo is our CEO, and he is busy training in the desert for a month and a half, hence why he hasn't been on. He should be back in the next few weeks or so. So the onus was on me to make sure we weren't getting screwed.

I never claimed the dominix was mine personally. I wanted it so I can give it back to Kyo, just like I am waiting for Jess to come back so I can give back his battleships. What I have done here was for Viral. Jess and Kyo taught me everything about the game that has gotten me this far. I am loyal to them, and I am not going to see them screwed.

In all honesty, this could have all been avoided in the first place if you said that the Dominix couldn't make it out without getting destroyed, and that you destroyed it. I would have understood, if not being completely happy about it. Instead you told me "no, you aren't getting it back", and then you block me from contacting you ingame or by message. What was I supposed to think? All I had to go on was we were out a Dominix in addition to our heavy losses, and you flat out telling me no and blocking me. Thank you for finally telling me what went on though, as well as posting the whole explanation of the wormhole debacle.

But now that you have finally told me what went on, it seems that cannibal's services are not needed.

One point about the brief war between our corps. We actually didn't lose when we got jumped by Dead Pod Society. We ended up killing a mega and a dominix for the loss of 2 bc. :) By the time we were gathered and ready to return, war was over lol