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Veetor
Acme Manufacturing
#1 - 2012-11-15 20:08:16 UTC
Been back coupla months now from a long hiatus.Kudos to CCP for making huge improvements to the game. I am re-learning howto play and have activated several of my accounts. I only have one tiny litle gripe I would like to get off my chest. I have learned over the years to hate spamming d-scan. So much that low sec and null....I just dont go there anymore. I want a real time HUD for that. Then EVE will be perfect.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#2 - 2012-11-15 20:09:58 UTC
Veetor wrote:
Been back coupla months now from a long hiatus.Kudos to CCP for making huge improvements to the game. I am re-learning howto play and have activated several of my accounts. I only have one tiny litle gripe I would like to get off my chest. I have learned over the years to hate spamming d-scan. So much that low sec and null....I just dont go there anymore. I want a real time HUD for that. Then EVE will be perfect.

So don't spam it. Use it "selectively" to avoid feeling like you're spamming.

Passive long-range scanners would dumb Eve down WAY too much in my opinion.

Way too much.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-11-15 20:18:07 UTC
Or a verbal alarm to tell you what ship type and how far away it is.

and

If it is hostile or not.

and

When probes are within scan range.

and

Then your autopilot kicks in and warps you to a station.

and

Then you wouldn't need to stop watching porn when you earn isk.

Brilliant eh! You could then apply to a large Null Sec alliance as a bot!

Cos they don't use Bots, no siree, no Bots in Null space, not ever.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#4 - 2012-11-15 20:24:58 UTC
Eve is hard, use your aurum and buy a helmet.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-11-15 20:29:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
Raptors Mole wrote:
Or a verbal alarm to tell you what ship type and how far away it is.

and

If it is hostile or not.

and

When probes are within scan range.

and

Then your autopilot kicks in and warps you to a station.

and

Then you wouldn't need to stop watching **** when you earn isk.

Brilliant eh! You could then apply to a large Null Sec alliance as a bot!

Cos they don't use Bots, no siree, no Bots in Null space, not ever.


Lol

Agree with OP, D-Scan needs an overhaul.
Programmable with audio alerts would be sweet, also it shouldn't be something you can spam. The current system is one that only a bot would love.

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#6 - 2012-11-15 20:29:47 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Eve is hard, use your aurum and buy a helmet.

Or a friend with no scruples about spamming.

Heck, buy me a monocle and I'll scan for you. Cool

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#7 - 2012-11-15 20:43:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
D-scan UI just needs to be improved.

Should accept multiple range imputes. So I can just type 2AU and its automatically 299,000,000 km

When Directional scan window is open WITH Tac overlay, a degree crosshair should show up wherever you point your cam marking 5, 15, 30, 60 degrees.

Shortcuts for increasing and decreasing scan angle with a scan shortcut.

You should be able to choose a secondary overview setting for it to scan, not just everything or your active.

Some mods could enhance your D-scan range past 14.3 AU passively like sensor boosters.
Or make the broader the angle, the shorter the range. so a 360 stays at 14.3AU but the more narrow the scan, the longer range it can be, so you can scan say 50AU ahead on a 5 degree.

Maybe add a 1 degree angle, if you can tag it off grid, we should be able to warp within 100km of it.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#8 - 2012-11-15 20:46:12 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
D-scan UI just needs to be improved.

Should accept multiple range imputes. So I can just type 2AU and its automatically 299,000,000 km

When Directional scan window is open WITH Tac overlay, a degree crosshair should show up wherever you point your cam marking 5, 15, 30, 60 degrees.

Shortcuts for increasing and decreasing scan angle with a scan shortcut.

You should be able to choose a secondary overview setting for it to scan, not just everything or your active.

Some mods could enhance your D-scan range past 14.3 AU passively like sensor boosters.
Or make the broader the angle, the shorter the range. so a 360 stays at 14.3AU but the more narrow the scan, the longer range it can be, so you can scan say 50AU ahead on a 5 degree.



I like most of these ideas, but the last one. I kinda like the range as it is.
Veetor
Acme Manufacturing
#9 - 2012-11-16 06:44:01 UTC
Theres way to much eye candy and immersive qualities aout this game to have to stare at a spreadsheet while trying to be constructive at the same time, is my point. We dont activate our senses selectively...and by definition of a pod pilot our ships are exrensions of ourselves. Not quite sure how to respond to the "dumbing down" aspect of it as ALL other games have this very feature including fantasy games which to me is quite unrealistic.....odd that.
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#10 - 2012-11-16 07:23:52 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Eve is hard, use your aurum and buy a helmet.

Or a friend with no scruples about spamming.

Heck, buy me a monocle and I'll scan for you. Cool
Darth Gustav gets a monocle!

Who put the goat in there?
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-11-16 08:12:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Zagdul
Darth Gustav wrote:
Veetor wrote:
Been back coupla months now from a long hiatus.Kudos to CCP for making huge improvements to the game. I am re-learning howto play and have activated several of my accounts. I only have one tiny litle gripe I would like to get off my chest. I have learned over the years to hate spamming d-scan. So much that low sec and null....I just dont go there anymore. I want a real time HUD for that. Then EVE will be perfect.

So don't spam it. Use it "selectively" to avoid feeling like you're spamming.

Passive long-range scanners would dumb Eve down WAY too much in my opinion.

Way too much.


Spamming D-Scan isn't challenging. It's hitting a freaking button.

How the hell would it dumb the game down?

By removing a mundane task such as spamming a button 8000 years into the future your super advanced ship in space should be able to do would immerse me by allowing the game to do a task that isn't hard.

Tedium is not difficult or challenging, it's annoying and un-fun.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-11-16 09:13:00 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Veetor wrote:
Been back coupla months now from a long hiatus.Kudos to CCP for making huge improvements to the game. I am re-learning howto play and have activated several of my accounts. I only have one tiny litle gripe I would like to get off my chest. I have learned over the years to hate spamming d-scan. So much that low sec and null....I just dont go there anymore. I want a real time HUD for that. Then EVE will be perfect.

So don't spam it. Use it "selectively" to avoid feeling like you're spamming.

Passive long-range scanners would dumb Eve down WAY too much in my opinion.

Way too much.


Spamming D-Scan isn't challenging. It's hitting a freaking button.

How the hell would it dumb the game down?

By removing a mundane task such as spamming a button 8000 years into the future your super advanced ship in space should be able to do would immerse me by allowing the game to do a task that isn't hard.

Tedium is not difficult or challenging, it's annoying and un-fun.


You must realize that some people think that they are so pro that the difference between "dumbing down" and "improving UI/reducing clicks" becomes completely blurred for them.

Me, I just call it them being rather ignorant and unintelligent.
Angelina Joliee
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-11-16 10:34:40 UTC
I support the point.
D-Scan-UI should be improved. I really hate this dump clicking all the time.
kopite
Fight Club Outfit
DammFam
#14 - 2012-11-16 11:02:47 UTC
Dscan spam is absolutely fine IMO.

You want to avoid /find nasty/squishy things, you learn to use it. It is what separates the alert and prepared (both hunter and prey) from the rest. Don't like doing it? Don't. I am pretty far from hardcore anything in EvE but I believe in effort and reward. Onlly place i have found the spaminess a little wearing is W-Space but my time in W space doing that, has made me appreciate it for the tool it is.

Other than "ease of use" (or laziness depending on perspective) I see no reason or benefit to automate D-Scan.

Have to echo the thoughts about improving the Dscan UI though. It is very clunky and pointlessly complicated . The angle slider is i think fine as it is but for example; what benefit is it really to have to convert au to km? All anyone does is have the figures memorised (or for the old and forgetful like me) on the ingame notepad to copy across. Keep it manual activation but make it easier to dscan for the right thing at the right range.

In summary, keep it click to activate but more intuiive to do the clicking right.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#15 - 2012-11-16 11:11:06 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:


Passive long-range scanners would dumb Eve down WAY too much in my opinion.

Way too much.


Unless said passive scanner took up a high/mid/low slot and ate most of your CPU and powergrid, gimping your fit and turning you into a "scanning ship"...
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#16 - 2012-11-16 11:14:32 UTC
^ How much CPU does the D-scan module take up?

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-11-16 11:23:01 UTC
dscan scam has been made impossible years ago

.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-11-16 11:37:44 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:

Passive long-range scanners would dumb Eve down WAY too much in my opinion.

Way too much.


I don't necessarily believe so, passive Scanners are, as the name says, passive. So I believe it could be a good idea, or at least not the worst idea, if passive scanners just picked up the active scan pings of other players or probes since those are active pings, too.

Kinda like a subway :P

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#19 - 2012-11-16 11:53:15 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:


Passive long-range scanners would dumb Eve down WAY too much in my opinion.

Way too much.


Yeah.. because spamming a button sure is a high intelect way of playing any game...Roll


Removal of local + the addition of a 3d long range active/passive scanner would a huge step forward.

It could work something like this... Active allows you to scan any object within your max scan range which could be dependent upon ship/module combinations. Passive allows you to scan any object within like 1/5 of your scan range however also allows you to pick up other players using active sensors at up to your maximum scan range.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#20 - 2012-11-16 13:51:00 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:


It could work something like this... Active allows you to scan any object within your max scan range which could be dependent upon ship/module combinations. Passive allows you to scan any object within like 1/5 of your scan range however also allows you to pick up other players using active sensors at up to your maximum scan range.



As a hint if your scan range is current 14 AU being able to scan passively within 20% of that would let you scan within 2.8 AU.

Considering I could easily locate you with combat probes from 4 AU out and you wont even see them then drop it down to 2 AU and warp into you within about 8 seconds this change wouldn't help anyone as you've be forced to active scan anyway.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
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