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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#81 - 2012-11-14 15:47:29 UTC
CCP Paradox wrote:
Just thought I would point out that when you dive into Retribution, you will be unable to place a bounty on a Dev or ISD character.

Outrageous!!! Evil

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Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-11-14 15:51:09 UTC
I'm so excited for the new bounty system! and retribution comes out practically on my birthday.. birthday bounties for me?!
Gaia Ma'chello
Photosynth
#83 - 2012-11-14 16:04:32 UTC
During the mass test yesterday, every time a ship exploded on the other side we would get a bounty payment notification.
Ryhss
#84 - 2012-11-14 22:28:03 UTC
If you place as bounty on someone, anyone should be able to agree them anywhere w/o CONCORD getting involved.
The police don't arrest Dog the bounty hunter when h4e grabs a bounty....

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2012-11-14 22:36:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Ryhss wrote:
If you place as bounty on someone, anyone should be able to agree them anywhere w/o CONCORD getting involved.
The police don't arrest Dog the bounty hunter when h4e grabs a bounty....

Those bounties are placed by law enforcement for individuals who have committed criminal acts. Our bounties can be placed for any reason, including those not related to any concord enforced rules.

It also makes no sense to be able to selectively turn concord off for 100k isk.

Edit: Law enforcement probably would intervene though if he tried to collect those bounties the same way they are collected in EVE, by shooting people till the explode.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#86 - 2012-11-14 22:43:25 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ryhss wrote:
If you place as bounty on someone, anyone should be able to agree them anywhere w/o CONCORD getting involved.
The police don't arrest Dog the bounty hunter when h4e grabs a bounty....

Those bounties are placed by law enforcement for individuals who have committed criminal acts. Our bounties can be placed for any reason, including those not related to any concord enforced rules.

It also makes no sense to be able to selectively turn concord off for 100k isk.



Pretty good that it doesn't work that way then, isn't it?

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-11-14 22:47:39 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ryhss wrote:
If you place as bounty on someone, anyone should be able to agree them anywhere w/o CONCORD getting involved.
The police don't arrest Dog the bounty hunter when h4e grabs a bounty....

Those bounties are placed by law enforcement for individuals who have committed criminal acts. Our bounties can be placed for any reason, including those not related to any concord enforced rules.

It also makes no sense to be able to selectively turn concord off for 100k isk.



Pretty good that it doesn't work that way then, isn't it?


Yes, it is.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2012-11-14 23:46:56 UTC
I can see myself getting bounties for arguing with people in help chat and on the forums.

Should be interesting.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#89 - 2012-11-15 00:01:49 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I can see myself getting bounties for arguing with people in help chat and on the forums.

Should be interesting.


Assuming you spend the bulk of your time in null, you will likely be called primary in any small fight, assuming anyone with a bounty on them is easily recognized.
I hope your corp/alliance has a firm policy with regard to ganking corpmates / alliance mates.

Low sec behaviour will likely be very similar.

High sec, that is going to be very problematic, on many levels.

I personally am looking at how to profit from the bounty put on me.
Rather, the kill rights that may come from that.

Time will tell how bad / good it will be.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2012-11-15 06:08:14 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I can see myself getting bounties for arguing with people in help chat and on the forums.

Should be interesting.


Assuming you spend the bulk of your time in null, you will likely be called primary in any small fight, assuming anyone with a bounty on them is easily recognized.

I go into every small fight assuming I'll be called primary.

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I hope your corp/alliance has a firm policy with regard to ganking corpmates / alliance mates.

We're not that starved for income, if that's what you're suggesting.

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I personally am looking at how to profit from the bounty put on me.
Rather, the kill rights that may come from that.

Time will tell how bad / good it will be.

I'm not sure what you mean. The system is set up so you can't profit from your own bounties.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#91 - 2012-11-15 07:04:01 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I can see myself getting bounties for arguing with people in help chat and on the forums.

Should be interesting.


Assuming you spend the bulk of your time in null, you will likely be called primary in any small fight, assuming anyone with a bounty on them is easily recognized.

I go into every small fight assuming I'll be called primary.

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I hope your corp/alliance has a firm policy with regard to ganking corpmates / alliance mates.

We're not that starved for income, if that's what you're suggesting.

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I personally am looking at how to profit from the bounty put on me.
Rather, the kill rights that may come from that.

Time will tell how bad / good it will be.

I'm not sure what you mean. The system is set up so you can't profit from your own bounties.


1. If someone has a bounty on them, and if CCP plans on highlighting that in the overview, you will be primaried.
2. I meant that your corp/ alliance better have a strong policy that boots anyone who shoots a fellow corp mate that has a bounty on them. Most do, so should not be a problem, as long as you trust everyone you fly with. But all you need is one AWOXer to show up when you are in a pricey boat when you are ratting.....
3. True, there is no way to profit directly from bounties placed on me, but who knows what mechanisms will be derived by the players. If one thing has been clear over the past iterations of this game, the dev's have little clue how the players will co-opt the dev's vision of the game.
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#92 - 2012-11-15 10:46:44 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I can see myself getting bounties for arguing with people in help chat and on the forums.

Should be interesting.


Assuming you spend the bulk of your time in null, you will likely be called primary in any small fight, assuming anyone with a bounty on them is easily recognized.

I go into every small fight assuming I'll be called primary.

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I hope your corp/alliance has a firm policy with regard to ganking corpmates / alliance mates.

We're not that starved for income, if that's what you're suggesting.

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I personally am looking at how to profit from the bounty put on me.
Rather, the kill rights that may come from that.

Time will tell how bad / good it will be.

I'm not sure what you mean. The system is set up so you can't profit from your own bounties.


1. If someone has a bounty on them, and if CCP plans on highlighting that in the overview, you will be primaried.
2. I meant that your corp/ alliance better have a strong policy that boots anyone who shoots a fellow corp mate that has a bounty on them. Most do, so should not be a problem, as long as you trust everyone you fly with. But all you need is one AWOXer to show up when you are in a pricey boat when you are ratting.....
3. True, there is no way to profit directly from bounties placed on me, but who knows what mechanisms will be derived by the players. If one thing has been clear over the past iterations of this game, the dev's have little clue how the players will co-opt the dev's vision of the game.


there's an overview setting to display people with bounties on them, but that's already in there and has been for a long time
you also see the bounty amount in the selected item window, but that's also been there for a whileSmile

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First Main
Main's Moon Mining
#93 - 2012-11-15 10:54:54 UTC
Awesome response by CCP Punkturis, i would love to see how many other post feature pilots complaining about features that we must have that are already in the game.
Spurty
#94 - 2012-11-15 12:26:25 UTC
Will the following scenario will be valid with these changes?

- group roams to mission hub
- waits for bling to undock
- scans out bling in mission while synchronized placement and acceptance of 100k bounty on player
- warp in, scramble, pop ship, take billions in loot (and your 100k ISK back)

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And ships that sail the sea

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#95 - 2012-11-15 13:18:37 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
......
3. True, there is no way to profit directly from bounties placed on me, but who knows what mechanisms will be derived by the players. If one thing has been clear over the past iterations of this game, the dev's have little clue how the players will co-opt the dev's vision of the game.

Here is what you do.
Whenever someone with a big bounty and an expansive ship in your fleet is called primary, your fleet tries to get in the kill shot. That way at least you get the bounty on a ship that is going to die in any event.

I'm not convinced this results in your fleet getting more isk than it would get by shooting high bounty ships on the other side.

Is this new bounty mechanic going to drive fleet doctrine to cheaper fits to deny bounty payouts to the other side?

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#96 - 2012-11-15 13:22:15 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Will the following scenario will be valid with these changes?

- group roams to mission hub
- waits for bling to undock
- scans out bling in mission while synchronized placement and acceptance of 100k bounty on player
- warp in, scramble, pop ship, take billions in loot (and your 100k ISK back)


If it high sec, its going to be a suicide gank as placing a bounty does not change rights to shoot. That is valid now, and will still be valid with the change.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#97 - 2012-11-15 13:30:16 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Will the following scenario will be valid with these changes?

- group roams to mission hub
- waits for bling to undock
- scans out bling in mission while synchronized placement and acceptance of 100k bounty on player
- warp in, scramble, pop ship, take billions in loot (and your 100k ISK back)



You forgot the part where concord take their ships away.
ctx2007
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2012-11-15 13:35:51 UTC
Put the bounties on the bots Twisted

You only realise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#99 - 2012-11-15 14:24:34 UTC
First Main wrote:
Awesome response by CCP Punkturis, i would love to see how many other post feature pilots complaining about features that we must have that are already in the game.


I was never complaining about the bounty indicator on the overview, just making a statement that if it existed people with bounties on them will be primaried. I have never tried to open up my overview to add bounties, nor have I tested the new system on Duality nor Buckingham. ( I have tested the new AI on Duality, and when CCP finally closes the loophole that saves drone users on Dec 4th, watch the rage).

But thanks for your comment.
I could have been hurt by it, if not for the fact that your opinion means nothing to me.
First Main
Main's Moon Mining
#100 - 2012-11-15 14:26:39 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
First Main wrote:
Awesome response by CCP Punkturis, i would love to see how many other post feature pilots complaining about features that we must have that are already in the game.


I was never complaining about the bounty indicator on the overview, just making a statement that if it existed people with bounties on them will be primaried. I have never tried to open up my overview to add bounties, nor have I tested the new system on Duality nor Buckingham. ( I have tested the new AI on Duality, and when CCP finally closes the loophole that saves drone users on Dec 4th, watch the rage).

But thanks for your comment.
I could have been hurt by it, if not for the fact that your opinion means nothing to me.


meant in a lighthearted manner, glad no offence was taken. Dreading the new AI/drone changes though