Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Wait... whoa there horsey.....

Are you really suggesting that because some people can be hidden in a system, and of course be shown in local, that this is not balanced?

How do you know they are not watching stuff and getting intel? No, I mean real intel using eyeballs and sensors, not a chat channel.

Are you trying to put them out of their misery, because they must be AFK since you cannot shoot them?

Explain this please. Include the part where you aren't being risk averse too, since your objecting to something harmless, if we use your definition of it.

I have no problem with cloakers showing up in local. I also have no problem with cloak-specialized ships being cloaked indefinitely. In general, I have no problem with the mechanic as it stands.

I've come up with a scenario, where alliances that hold sov could prohibit cloaking altogether. Nothing about this nerfs cloaking at all. You simply can't cloak at all in that system. Whether that benefits only "null-bears" or "rich alliances" I really don't care. They put the money in, if they want something to counter cloaking, then they can have it, but it should be expensive, inconvenient, and a double edged sword.

A lot of the nay-sayers seem caught up thinking I care about AFK Cloakers being around. I invite them to come around, go ahead, you're going to get shot. Give players options, but if they take those options, make those options cost them. People keep asking what gives null pilots the right to have a mechanic that prevents cloaking. I ask, what gives anyone else a right to an uncounterable ability in that null players system?

I think a lot of cloakers think they should be able to operate with impunity. My suggestion still allows cloakers to operate with impunity, but it allows a sov structure to disable cloaking for all parties. The cloaker can always go next door to a non-jammed system, or camp the system with regular ships. They can even take pride in the fact that they caused an alliance to expend significant time, effort, and funds to gain some "protection" in one system. Then to top it all off, they can camp those people in, and then gank their cloakers when they try to get eyes on.

You probably either didn't read or didn't comprehend what I wrote in the OP:

Nothing about this nerfs cloaking, cloaking stays exactly the same.

CovOps would not be useless in Null simply because a Sov Upgrade exists that can disable cloaking altogether. The prohibitive expense will prevent it from being deployed over the vast majority of null, save for a few select systems. If I were suggesting a cheap upgrade, I could understand your concern, but I'm not and I can't.

Id like to add my 2 cents by combining 2 ideas, one from the topic starter and the other from someone else. I agree afk cloaking is bad, teribad evenly, my suggestion is to make a beacon or something that would be anchored somewhere in a system, and i agree emiting a pulse every say 50min - 1hr 25mins (just for randomness sake) that would decloak the target and it wouldn't be able to cloak for say 10 seconds or so. I also agree that it should be a heavy penalty for keeping it online. Say give it 50mil armor 1bil per month cost and the ability to disrupt any forcefields in system making it unable to put up poses in said system.
I think it's a good tradeoff considering everything.

thoughts?

So you and your friends have had to dock up in a station because of a single afk cloaker. Damn, maybe CCP could come up with a feature that let's you put guns on ships and team up to fight? That would be cool.

You know, instead of negating all cloaking constantly with such a module....
... if it just let off a pulse ever 5-10 minutes. That would solve the AFK.... in the AFK cloaking problem.

Then, active cloakers can just reclick their cloak. AFK cloakers will have problems....

Really though, grow some balls. We cloakers own you with fear.

What about creating something like an EMP (Electro Magnetic Pulse)?

This would offer an entire new style of play to the game.

- A skill book would be created for this, depending on your skill level depends on the area that would be effected Level 1 = 10km +25% each level (max 30.51km)
- The mod fits into the High slot, has to be used on something other then a T1 Frig.
- When discharged, it disables anything within the radius including itself for say 1 minute. You would be sitting in space not being about to do anything for that time. You take a chance every time you discharge it.
- A ship could be created for each race around this mod too. 10% increase in radius (49.15km maxed skills), -10% time (down to 35.43 seconds) you would be disabled per skill level.
- Cannot be discharged in High or low sec

u and i started typing at the same time, my idea took longer to get on the page...
i didnt copy u what so ever.
altho, your idea has merit...mines a little more in depth..=)

How about instead of horrifically stupid and unbalanced modules, structures, etc you whining little babies just HTFU or better yet sod off back to highsec.

Do try to keep in mind the only reason it is not considered balanced to hunt cloaked vessels as effectively as you are suggesting.

Cloaking has already been broken for some time. It is balanced, however.

Sound like a contradiction? Then you also assume balance implies functionality, which it does not.

Cloaking is broken by local reporting it, in an absolutely reliable manner. This is broken.

It is however, balanced by:

You absolutely cannot locate a cloaked vessel, unless they let you, or make a mistake. This is also broken.

Since both sides are countering each other, it is in balance.

Sadly, this leaves cloaking as a meta gaming tool. Many people enjoy this play, so to them there is no problem at all.