EVE General Discussion

Been playing for about 2 weeks now, and I've made it known on these forums how I feel about the ridiculousness in how complicated it is for new players to get into active corporations.

For Instance I'm currently waiting (almost 2 weeks now) for an application to be accepted for a corp in a large Alliance.

I understand some of you angry vets want to "weed out the weak", "keep out the instant gratification people", "I want to make EVE more inaccessible in order to feel like a special snowflake", etc.

You need to realize two things:

1) EVE will not continue much further without growth.
2) EVE cannot grow without new people
3) Most new people come from MMOs that don't require such BS just to play with other people.

As I've stated before,I come from WoW. One of the best things about WoW IMHO was how easy it was for people to get involved and, I don't know, play an MMO like an MMO. You run an instance, and have a great time and say "Hey, you guys are cool. Can I join your guild?" or "Hey, you're a great Tank /Healer/DPS, you need a guild bro?". Voila. You're in a guild with cool folks, having fun killing stuff. Make some friends, all is well.

Here it's damn near the total opposite. Outside of FW, there's no way for new players to get involved in multiplayer activities, and you can't really enjoy FW because you have no idea wth you're doing as a brand new player.

Bottom line, the average new player does NOT have the patience to sit through those boring and EXTREMELY insufficient tutorials, wait 2 weeks to get into a corporation or download E-UNI classes and listen to them for hours on end to learn the game (I'm a truck driver, I can do this).

CCP, flat-out needs to take a more proactive approach to retaining new people; and it starts with training. I love E-UNI to death and I appreciate their contributions to the game but their application process is ridiculous. RvB is great, but let's be honest, a 5 day old player isn't learning PVP in RvB. They're simply being constantly blown up by T2 fitted veterans and providing killmails. I was in RvB for about 3 days on my main and got tired of it. Join fleet, go to where they are and get blown up. No training at all, which is fine. My issue is how many vets front RvB as a training corporation when it clearly is not. It's a place for freelance no holds barred pvp, NOT training...PRACTICE perhaps, but not training. Training is the process of learning. Practice is the process of applying what you have learned in the hopes of honing your skills.

I simply suggest CCP establish its own training corporation. The small investment you make into this will pan out given the rise in retention rates, I promise you. It should be a mix of E-UNI and RvB. Give lectures (another complaint I have of E-UNI is that while I appreciate their efforts, many of their lectures are given by people with very thick accents and I can't understand what they're saying). Getting a few American players to record some lectures in exchange for ISK or PLEX doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. Also establishing a CENTRALIZED source of information would help. a 1-stop shop for CORRECT (keyword here) would be nice, because when we noobs ask question and vets are giving us 20 different websites with 20 different perspectives its very confusing.

In conclusion I am not asking for things to be made easier. I am asking for information and training to be made more accessible. The noob will still have to read, practice and take the initiative in other ways, but there is a more solid foundation for them to stand on when they start, thus increasing the likelihood of them staying. Bottom line most noobs aren't like me. In fact the only reason I'M still here is because EvE is somewhat fun and very forgiving to a truckers' schedule. Being able to train offline is great for me. However for someone who doesn't really need that perk, they will need another reason to stay.

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Few small details: sandbox, emergent gameplay, player created content.

If you don't see connection get back to WoW. And I say it with all kindness and respect.

You obviously didnt pay your 500mil isk fee....

Then why are there already non player corporations?

Given this fact, how would simply adding a training NPC corp be any different?

Eve Uni - The in game pc run training corp.

The thing is, the corp isn't the important bit. It's the people in the corp. Because a corp entirely of newbies is in a somewhat painful place. It needs a leavening of experienced players to actually answer the questions.

So a CCP run corp would require CCP to hire staff to run it. Which is probably not viable.

It's not up to CCP to train you how to fly a ship and be good at the game.

It is up to you, ultimately to do that, and if they are into that sort of thing, for other people to help you. Myself? I love noobs. I actively push for my RP-PvP corp to adopt noobs. Noobs are great and beautiful.

Frankly I wouldn't trust CCP to have trained you correctly. If you want better training? Find a corp willing to take you in and put the work and investment into making you awesome in whatever it is you do.

Ah, you see NPC wouldn't be training, it would be just NPC. Just like those we already have. Yet for some reason you want to get into player corp. Why is that? NPC corp chats are very educational, too. And amuzing. And pants-on-the-head wrong most of a time. But NPC corps exists solely because charcter cannot be outside a corp. And let's pretend we don't see anything wrong with half of hisec being in those corps forever.

Lol WoW. Came from there myself late in 2010.

You don't get "easily" into anything in WoW. At least not the little worth doing thats left in that game. You can ofc collect pets in the hundreds, if you're inclined to do so. World of Petcraft...

For the rest: You have to pass tons of checks to be accepted and "new" players have just as hard a time getting into either decent PvP teams or heroic raids. And don't tell me anything about small instances. Unnerfed heroic shattered halls back in early 2007 was one of the last you really could have fun in.

Well yeah the guilds full of neckbeards who were in international competitions and crap yeah, they had a complex recruitment process, mainly because money was on the line, or prestige.

However just normal everyday social guilds, no. To me those were the best guilds. The Raid Leader wouldn't have a stroke on mic every time a heal was missed or Bloodlust wasn't popped in time.