Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This still doesn't prevent cloakers from picking any other, non-jammed system to ply their trade. Think of it more like turning on flood lights, if the flood lights are on, the people inside cannot hide either. Can they go in their bunker? Yes they can, but they built the bunker so we can't really deny them that. Guerrilla tactics can still be effectively used, people just have to be smarter about it.

The prohibitive expense of my suggestion is an important aspect of it. It is intending to be used about as often as a cyno-jammer is (not very). An alliance will have to look at it's budget (yes we have budgets), and say: We can't afford to put the jammer in the ratting system, you ratters fend for yourselves. We're going to put it in the CSAA system, or where the miners are mining all day.

There are still plenty of opportunities for smart players to use guerrilla tactics: cloaky sabres/falcons in pipe systems for example. Many a careless soul will fall victim to that. Maybe you can't AFK cloak in one system, but you can certainly do it in many others, including systems where people are going to congregate. Keep in mind, they won't be cloaking either, so you'll know exactly what they have, and you can always fall back to another system if things get hot, or bounce safes and then log, only to come back later when the heat dies down.

Nothing about this ends cloaking, or grief tactics, it simply allows for a prohibitively expensive, double-edged sword way of dealing with it. Chances are, they'll end up spending a load of money over nothing, or their own people will be killed because they'll want to cloak and can't.

So it is balanced because they can hunt elsewhere? Seriously?
How is that not unbalanced risk management?

The devs once thought that Titans would be too expensive to be wide spread. They freely admit in many places this was way off.
The bigger alliances will have full use of this, and a resulting virtual immunity to guerrilla tactics involving cloaked vessels.
Without this conflict, the game is effectively over on several levels.

So how does this end up benefiting anyone besides the ultra rich alliances with the most memberships?
Why should the game stabilize for them?

This makes every system that has this upgrade a carefully chosen haven, that makes high sec look like a deadly trap by comparison.

This favors the powerful alliances with big wallets.

I can't say I approve of this topic intruding, but I suppose it can be shown as related.


Hot Dropping is a great way to avoid broadcasting intel about the size of your force, which is a severe obstacle if you have free intel throwing out obvious updates whenever someone enters a system.
Enter a system with a roam or small fleet, and the pop spike on local is so obvious to all present.

Now, if you aren't being broadcast to the systems about your fleet size, and you can approach targets so long as they aren't trying to watch for enemies.... why exactly would you hot drop?

That is correct, hot dropping coming from "local chat intel" is the other shoe dropping, so to speak. PvP pilots wanted a means to bring attack fleets to targets with minimal warning from local, so they took cyno jumping and made it into an attack form.

You feel you have a right to be safe from PvP, in the null security region of a PvP game.
Really?

I think you should need to put in a bit more effort than glancing at the roster to a chat channel.

Except it is the only counter to the infalible, ultra powerful 100% accurate, always on, never wrong and free...local pane...

Yet another thread that claims to fix AFKing, but only addresses the effect and not the cause.

All this idea does, is add the iceing on top of the local instant intel cake. Breaking what is already a balanced situation.
That is not a balanced approach.

So, you see no connection between AFK Cloaking and local?

How then does an "AFK cloaker" interact with the others in a system?

Local which you seem stuck on works both ways, balanced, so thus has nothing to do with this topic and by my opinion is nothing but spam.

removing local and keeping cloacking will do nothing but empower said module and increase the imbalance.

For one, they aint interacting, two login screen.. does that help you? you are still avoiding the imbalance in the module with goating.

im not here to wage the war against "afk`ers", as that is not my goal, i`d like balance so cloackers can be hunted as anything else floating in space. if its afk its lost, like everything else floating afk in space is lost.. balance.

It's the null bear approach, don't solve a problem by playing the game better - moan until CCP gives you an easy button.

There is a rather effective counter to cloaking players, playing the game with a strategy and not begging for a module based fix button.

How about setting up a defence fleet, baiting this person and then killing them when they take the bait?

Shocking concept I know.