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Rebalance Clone Prices

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Jurias
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-11-13 15:55:54 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
I had an interesting thought - it is possible that SP totals are going up in line with inflation so that - when adjusted for inflation - your clone prices are the same as they have always been. In fact, I think it pretty likely.


Interesting point, but inflation doesn't increase the players' ability to earn ISK. I mean a 1mil bounty belt rat still gives you 1mil right? What you are saying is that everything costs more and more, and players get less for their money. This means more grind to get the same stuff - or am I missing something here?
Demolishar
United Aggression
#22 - 2012-11-13 15:58:44 UTC
Jurias wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
I had an interesting thought - it is possible that SP totals are going up in line with inflation so that - when adjusted for inflation - your clone prices are the same as they have always been. In fact, I think it pretty likely.


Interesting point, but inflation doesn't increase the players' ability to earn ISK. I mean a 1mil bounty belt rat still gives you 1mil right? What you are saying is that everything costs more and more, and players get less for their money. This means more grind to get the same stuff - or am I missing something here?


Actually I think you'll find that inflation is indicative of the average players ability to earn isk having increased!
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-11-13 15:59:33 UTC
Jurias wrote:
Beckie DeLey wrote:
Yeah, someone throw those poor poor players with 120m SP a bone. How could they possibly afford 20m ISK from time to time?

Seriously guys, how often do you guys lose your pods...


It can be daily in nullsec with the huge fights involving interdictors and gate bubbles everywhere. It's a lot of fun but it's silly to only make it doable for lower SP chars. Oh and try 65mil when you get to my level in your career - this was my point that many do not understand.

I'm just asking for balance - trust me this will get more people fighting in null again. So many people despise the place for this imbalance.


20m ISK is what a day old newbie in a Bantam can make while mining in his 1.0 starter system for 90 minutes.

I am fairly sure that 100m SP characters can handle those costs, even when they are stupid enough to get podded twice a day. :)


Clonecosts are a non-issue for characters of all ages.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-11-13 16:00:26 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

To be perfectly frank if you've been playing this game for several years & are worried about clone costs, you have other issues to be concerned with.

No you don't, just the Clone Cost.


If someone is concerned about their clone cost, then they will definately have other concerns.

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Alara IonStorm
#25 - 2012-11-13 16:04:07 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:

If someone is concerned about their clone cost, then they will definately have other concerns.

Such as?

What concerns does this T1 Frigate enthusiast have exactly besides Clone Costs?
Commander Spurty
#26 - 2012-11-13 16:04:24 UTC
really do not give a toss about the costs.

Very very low (Imagine if it was 1 isk per skill point?)

Do care that I have to go purchase it again and again and again (oops, stop getting podded!)

Just pretty annoying. I'm immortal, please set up a direct debit!

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Jurias
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-11-13 16:05:18 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:


If someone is concerned about their clone cost, then they will definately have other concerns.



Not wanting to get personal, but a 2009 player with a little under 28mil sp according to his eveboard and belonging to an alliance who arguably lives in some of the best and safest ISK making space in the game isn't really who I had in mind. I see now why you aren't on side. Please try to consider this topic from all sides, but of course you are entitled to your view on the matter.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#28 - 2012-11-13 16:06:43 UTC
People just don't understand specializing anymore....It's to CCP's advantage to get you to create alts and specialize, gotta get new subs somehow...Cool


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Demolishar
United Aggression
#29 - 2012-11-13 16:06:49 UTC
Also I love how in this thread it's mostly monocle owners refuting the OP.
Jurias
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-11-13 16:07:32 UTC
Spurty wrote:
really do not give a toss about the costs.

Very very low (Imagine if it was 1 isk per skill point?)

Do care that I have to go purchase it again and again and again (oops, stop getting podded!)

Just pretty annoying. I'm immortal, please set up a direct debit!


Remember that some people like to actually go out and fight, which means blowing people up and getting blown up. The cost of being podded shouldn't be exponentially higher to the ratio that it currently is, is my point. Sure I could live in nullsec and make lots of isk and not try to pvp and not care. That is a possibility, but is that what we all want from our game?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-11-13 16:11:47 UTC
Jurias wrote:
Oh dear here we go. Please READ the post. The forums are not here for spam and abuse, they are here for constructive discussion. Very helpful start, bravo.


You haven't been here long, have you?

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#32 - 2012-11-13 16:15:19 UTC
I have no concerns about clone costs other then that it's a stupid, needless deterrent for pvp. If someone would enlighten me with knowledge as to what the actual intention of clone reactivation costs are, they are welcome. I honestly don't get what the idea behind them is. I'd really like to know.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-11-13 16:15:20 UTC
Jurias wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:


If someone is concerned about their clone cost, then they will definately have other concerns.



Not wanting to get personal, but a 2009 player with a little under 28mil sp according to his eveboard and belonging to an alliance who arguably lives in some of the best and safest ISK making space in the game isn't really who I had in mind. I see now why you aren't on side. Please try to consider this topic from all sides, but of course you are entitled to your view on the matter.


It's 55mil, but SP isn't important. Our space is safe because we make it that way, but people still die on a regular basis. The point still stands though. If you've been playing this game for years & are worried about clone costs, then your other issue to be concerned about is how you're generating that isk. Perhaps it's time for a change.

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#34 - 2012-11-13 16:21:01 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Jurias wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
A 100M+ character can be worth 50 billion isk or more on Bazaar. These older players ARE consistently rich whether they realise it or not.


True, let's say I have a 170mil sp char worth 40bil or whatever. I could sell the char and have no worries. But that would defeat the purpose of character progression by almost starting over again - not everyone has multiple high sp chars and not everyone wants to sell them either.


To be perfectly frank if you've been playing this game for several years & are worried about clone costs, you have other issues to be concerned with.


^^^ Yup. This reminds me of this phenomenon we have in the states where rich people complain about their taxes and expect me to give a damn. Do you need 65 mil dude?!? Will that get you out PVPing? I'll hook you up man...

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Dave Stark
#35 - 2012-11-13 16:26:48 UTC
Beckie DeLey wrote:
20m ISK is what a day old newbie in a Bantam can make while mining in his 1.0 starter system for 90 minutes.


you've clearly never mined before, have you?

considering a max skilled solo hulk pilot takes almost an hour to clear 20m isk, and to do that they have to mine ores more lucrative than veldspar. it's impossible for a 1 day old character in a bantam to achieve that in 90 mins.
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#36 - 2012-11-13 16:27:20 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Jurias wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:


If someone is concerned about their clone cost, then they will definately have other concerns.



Not wanting to get personal, but a 2009 player with a little under 28mil sp according to his eveboard and belonging to an alliance who arguably lives in some of the best and safest ISK making space in the game isn't really who I had in mind. I see now why you aren't on side. Please try to consider this topic from all sides, but of course you are entitled to your view on the matter.


It's 55mil, but SP isn't important. Our space is safe because we make it that way, but people still die on a regular basis. The point still stands though. If you've been playing this game for years & are worried about clone costs, then your other issue to be concerned about is how you're generating that isk. Perhaps it's time for a change.


He might not be playing the game for the isk
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-11-13 16:29:22 UTC
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Jurias wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:


If someone is concerned about their clone cost, then they will definately have other concerns.



Not wanting to get personal, but a 2009 player with a little under 28mil sp according to his eveboard and belonging to an alliance who arguably lives in some of the best and safest ISK making space in the game isn't really who I had in mind. I see now why you aren't on side. Please try to consider this topic from all sides, but of course you are entitled to your view on the matter.


It's 55mil, but SP isn't important. Our space is safe because we make it that way, but people still die on a regular basis. The point still stands though. If you've been playing this game for years & are worried about clone costs, then your other issue to be concerned about is how you're generating that isk. Perhaps it's time for a change.


He might not be playing the game for the isk


Neither do I, but I acknowledge that I have to make isk to do things.

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-11-13 16:38:51 UTC
My heart bleeds all the 100 million plus pilots out there Sad

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC
#39 - 2012-11-13 16:39:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Gibbo5771
OP, stfu.

75mil SP's here, I PVP in nullsec with 500mil clones and frigates.

If you can not afford to pay 20-50mil for a clone, there is something seriously wrong with you.

For the record the older a player is the better he can be at making isk, your post is a lie.

A new player can only make so much isk in a certain area, I can grab my Tengu and go run highsec plexes, I can do it lowsec, I can go belt rat in my pvp ship, I can take my Tengu to null with my main and run the DED plexes, I can do wh radar/mags using tricks I have learnt, I can gas mine in wh space, I can easily go to Jita and do market stuff, hell I can afford to buy 10, 2mil sp characters and have my own mining fleet. Any player that has been playing for over a year and cant keep a consistant 1bil in his wallet, is so narrow minded when it comes to ISK making they just go with the least risk.

Hell, kill 1-2 things and the loot is most likely going to be 20mil worth on its own.

Being an older player does not make you better at earning ISK but your options to make said ISK are vastly superior, some can even be done together.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-11-13 16:43:52 UTC
I think that if they're terrible at or just hate making isk people should be penalised by having to fly cheap ships, not penalised by being unable to pvp because they'll lose so many sp because they cannot afford a clone

and i don't think people should have to pvp on a noob alt if they're poor