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Nerf High Sec? I think not, time for some cold truths about this *ISK* sink...

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Mystic Sphinx
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-11-12 00:15:05 UTC
So... My husband plays this game and i have been playing with him for a few months, training what he asked to help his accounts, i don't mind, whatever it takes, as long as i get to play games with him i don't mind. Then two days ago he was sat at his pc and said quite clearly *are you serious, what a nob* and when i asked him what was wrong, he showed me a forum thread.

So i read this thread and several others and realized just how deluded the PVP players of this game truly are. So below im going to take each of your arguments and show you the real truth and answers you don't want to hear.

NERF MISSIONS - level 4's

Now as a mother of 4, my time and ability's to run level 4's on my private account is some what limited to maybe 2-4 hours a day, depending on housework, kids, times and plans. I make in that time around 50mil, from missions and salvage, not much, really not much. Now over a week period as i play, shall we say, 2-4 days a week. I make roughly 200-250mil a week, times by 4, a billion isk or just over a month. Now, my husband spent some time in Null Sec and in a week running his anomolies and ratting, he made upwards of 3-4 billions ISK a week. That was him playing 4-5 hours 3-5 days a week depending on his business trips and such, kids etc.

So Nerf level 4's? Simply because some players i.e alot of PVP pilots and PvE pilots live on this game, have no life, wake up, log on, play for 12 hours and then log off, sleep, rinse and repeat. Does not mean, that people with children and lives should be nerfed to hell and back.

Nerf High Sec Mining - No

In high sec, a player with a job, families, responsibilities, cannot make alot of ISK from mining as we simply don't have the time.

The bottom line is, if you choose to live on EvE online, have no partner, no children, no job and this game is your existence. I strongly advise you to log off, go outside and stop trying to ruin the game for people who love eve, like me and my husband, who play part time and we are having our ISK income slapped down and down to the point were if i wanted my tengu fitted how it is, i had to buy 3 plexes to fund it.

Null sec is 10x more profitable than high sec by a long shot, without even trying.

The truth of the matter is simple. We used to be hardcore PvPer's in BOB, we know what null is, you want high sec nerfed because you want more targets. It is as simple as that.

Here is a little bit of free advice to CCP - limit alliances to 3k pilots maximum, limit the blue list to 15 corp/alliances and force alliances to fight for there space

You, the PVP force are killing EvE Online, no matter how much you blame the high sec population, the truth is that it is you, the PVP player base, who are killing EVE
Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#2 - 2012-11-12 00:17:41 UTC
/popcorn Smile

Yeeee! 
Mystic Sphinx
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-11-12 00:18:40 UTC
Kehro Urgus wrote:
/popcorn Smile


I think not, it's time they realized the damage they are causing with there guns and need to stand up like men, no boys, and admit they were wrong and to fix it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2012-11-12 00:24:17 UTC
Mystic Sphinx wrote:


Null sec is 10x more profitable than high sec by a long shot, without even trying.



Yes, I have so much isk from 0.0 ratting I am pvping in officer fitted vindicators and can afford to lose one every week!
Mystic Sphinx
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-11-12 00:25:31 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Mystic Sphinx wrote:


Null sec is 10x more profitable than high sec by a long shot, without even trying.



Yes, I have so much isk from 0.0 ratting I am pvping in officer fitted vindicators and can afford to lose one every week!



You can slam the post and act like a little boy all you please, i know for a fact a good ratter even with 4-5 hours a day to spare can make upwards of 300mil a day, easily.
Kono Kai
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-11-12 00:26:49 UTC
Mystic Sphinx wrote:
i have been playing with him for a few months... We used to be hardcore PvPer's in BOB



Hrm....
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-11-12 00:28:22 UTC
Mystic Sphinx wrote:
Now as a mother of 4

-1/10 neckbeard.

CCP has no sense of humour.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2012-11-12 00:31:20 UTC
Mystic Sphinx wrote:


You can slam the post and act like a little boy all you please, i know for a fact a good ratter even with 4-5 hours a day to spare can make upwards of 300mil a day, easily.


You can easily make that much in high sec too with a similar setup.
Moe Doobie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-11-12 00:32:55 UTC
Mystic Sphinx wrote:
So... My husband plays this game and i have been playing with him for a few months, training what he asked to help his accounts, i don't mind, whatever it takes, as long as i get to play games with him i don't mind. Then two days ago he was sat at his pc and said quite clearly *are you serious, what a nob* and when i asked him what was wrong, he showed me a forum thread.

So i read this thread and several others and realized just how deluded the PVP players of this game truly are. So below im going to take each of your arguments and show you the real truth and answers you don't want to hear.

NERF MISSIONS - level 4's

Now as a mother of 4, my time and ability's to run level 4's on my private account is some what limited to maybe 2-4 hours a day, depending on housework, kids, times and plans. I make in that time around 50mil, from missions and salvage, not much, really not much. Now over a week period as i play, shall we say, 2-4 days a week. I make roughly 200-250mil a week, times by 4, a billion isk or just over a month. Now, my husband spent some time in Null Sec and in a week running his anomolies and ratting, he made upwards of 3-4 billions ISK a week. That was him playing 4-5 hours 3-5 days a week depending on his business trips and such, kids etc.

So Nerf level 4's? Simply because some players i.e alot of PVP pilots and PvE pilots live on this game, have no life, wake up, log on, play for 12 hours and then log off, sleep, rinse and repeat. Does not mean, that people with children and lives should be nerfed to hell and back.

Nerf High Sec Mining - No

In high sec, a player with a job, families, responsibilities, cannot make alot of ISK from mining as we simply don't have the time.

The bottom line is, if you choose to live on EvE online, have no partner, no children, no job and this game is your existence. I strongly advise you to log off, go outside and stop trying to ruin the game for people who love eve, like me and my husband, who play part time and we are having our ISK income slapped down and down to the point were if i wanted my tengu fitted how it is, i had to buy 3 plexes to fund it.

Null sec is 10x more profitable than high sec by a long shot, without even trying.

The truth of the matter is simple. We used to be hardcore PvPer's in BOB, we know what null is, you want high sec nerfed because you want more targets. It is as simple as that.

Here is a little bit of free advice to CCP - limit alliances to 3k pilots maximum, limit the blue list to 15 corp/alliances and force alliances to fight for there space

You, the PVP force are killing EvE Online, no matter how much you blame the high sec population, the truth is that it is you, the PVP player base, who are killing EVE



4 kids.....daaaaaaaaaaaa......


Props. I couldnt do it.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#10 - 2012-11-12 00:33:38 UTC
Mystic Sphinx wrote:
So... My husband plays this game and i have been playing with him for a few months, training what he asked to help his accounts, i don't mind, whatever it takes, as long as i get to play games with him i don't mind. Then two days ago he was sat at his pc and said quite clearly *are you serious, what a nob* and when i asked him what was wrong, he showed me a forum thread.

So i read this thread and several others and realized just how deluded the PVP players of this game truly are. So below im going to take each of your arguments and show you the real truth and answers you don't want to hear.

NERF MISSIONS - level 4's

Now as a mother of 4, my time and ability's to run level 4's on my private account is some what limited to maybe 2-4 hours a day, depending on housework, kids, times and plans. I make in that time around 50mil, from missions and salvage, not much, really not much. Now over a week period as i play, shall we say, 2-4 days a week. I make roughly 200-250mil a week, times by 4, a billion isk or just over a month. Now, my husband spent some time in Null Sec and in a week running his anomolies and ratting, he made upwards of 3-4 billions ISK a week. That was him playing 4-5 hours 3-5 days a week depending on his business trips and such, kids etc.

So Nerf level 4's? Simply because some players i.e alot of PVP pilots and PvE pilots live on this game, have no life, wake up, log on, play for 12 hours and then log off, sleep, rinse and repeat. Does not mean, that people with children and lives should be nerfed to hell and back.

Nerf High Sec Mining - No

In high sec, a player with a job, families, responsibilities, cannot make alot of ISK from mining as we simply don't have the time.

The bottom line is, if you choose to live on EvE online, have no partner, no children, no job and this game is your existence. I strongly advise you to log off, go outside and stop trying to ruin the game for people who love eve, like me and my husband, who play part time and we are having our ISK income slapped down and down to the point were if i wanted my tengu fitted how it is, i had to buy 3 plexes to fund it.

Null sec is 10x more profitable than high sec by a long shot, without even trying.

The truth of the matter is simple. We used to be hardcore PvPer's in BOB, we know what null is, you want high sec nerfed because you want more targets. It is as simple as that.

Here is a little bit of free advice to CCP - limit alliances to 3k pilots maximum, limit the blue list to 15 corp/alliances and force alliances to fight for there space

You, the PVP force are killing EvE Online, no matter how much you blame the high sec population, the truth is that it is you, the PVP player base, who are killing EVE


It's amazing that people with "ideas" this incredibly dumb actually exists (unless this is a troll, at which point it becomes more understandable lol). Such massive failures in simple logic can't really come from a person old enough to turn on a computer, can they?

Like most "high sec people" (as opposed to us who play the WHOLE game regardless of "sec", even though they like to call us "null sec players" or "pvp players") who post here. this "mystic" person can't see past their own narrow interests. If she could, she'd understand that "casual playerS" with familes don't matter when it comes to how much isk is in the game or what needs to be nerfed.

What matters is the legions of guys with "no life" pumping oddles and oddles of isk into the game, fouling up the economy. if there is a problem, those people are it, not those of us who are pointing out the problem in the 1st place.

The rest of this tripe isn't even worth commenting on. I'm serious, this must be a troll, no one is this stupid.
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#11 - 2012-11-12 00:34:31 UTC
Mystic Sphinx wrote:


Now as a mother of 4


IMO train your kids to run level 4 missions in eve. You will be space rich in no time.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-11-12 00:37:37 UTC
There are so many people doing level 4s injecting so much ISK into the EVE economy that even a small nerf that someone with your limited time wouldn't be particularly hurt by would have a big impact on the game as a whole. Nerfing lvl 4s doesn't need to be so drastic that people like you (assuming your story is true) will be severely impacted by these changes, but would definitely help with the overall game.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#13 - 2012-11-12 00:37:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Val'Dore
I weep for your progeny.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2012-11-12 00:39:33 UTC
Mystic Sphinx wrote:
So Nerf level 4's?
Yes. The most amount of people being affected by a minor change that will still have big macro-scale effects.

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Simply because some players i.e alot of PVP pilots and PvE pilots live on this game, have no life, wake up, log on, play for 12 hours and then log off, sleep, rinse and repeat. Does not mean, that people with children and lives should be nerfed to hell and back.
Ehm… so your husband did not have any children or a life when he made his 3–5bn a week? I'm sorry, but just because you have “children and life” doesn't mean that you will be affected by adjustments to L4s.

Quote:
The truth of the matter is simple. We used to be hardcore PvPer's in BOB, we know what null is, you want high sec nerfed because you want more targets. It is as simple as that.
Incorrect. Well, partly. The truth of the matter is indeed simple, but it's not the “truth” you assume. The truth of the matter is that we want highsec nerfed because it's too good at everything and because it leaves no room and no reason for a large number of activities in other parts of space.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#15 - 2012-11-12 00:42:06 UTC
Mystic Sphinx wrote:
*stuff about grinding missions*


Welcome to EVE's working class. Like working classes in the real world you will experience a lower-than-average level of income in return for performing menial work.

Also like the real world you are trying to buy shiny things on a low level income, which can be difficult and frustrating. I think you have outlined this in the mode of your posting.

If you wish to make more ISK then you must rise up the ranks of class be taking on a managerial role, starting your own business, or performing a more highly skilled job that pays more.

I wish you all the best in your endeavours and I hope to join you at the Gallente Club for Slightly More Better Than Average Pilots very soon.

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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#16 - 2012-11-12 00:42:38 UTC
if isk was worth more, you would need less of it.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#17 - 2012-11-12 00:45:10 UTC
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#18 - 2012-11-12 00:49:50 UTC
Mission running is a poor way to raise ISK except for the cases where you do not have ISK top lay the market, you never have 20min straight to sit at the keyboard, and you don't have friends who share your love for ice harvesting.

When it comes to making ISK, check the Making ISK guide.

I believe that mission and NPC bounty income needs to be tipped further towards item & LP reward, away from liquid ISK reward.

Allow players to invent or reverse engineer high-meta T1 items dependent on tokens dropped by NPCs, for example. Immediate boost for low/null industry — why ship modules to hisec when you can ship BPCs? Economy can be tweaked by adjusting drop rate vs IDK bounties.

But go back and read that Making ISK guide.

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