EVE General Discussion

god alone knows what that is but it's probably not carried out by a biased git via an anonymous internet forum where you know nothing of the participants
and yet somehow managed to mistake the most prominent of those for "some open-sourced anyone-can-edit fora"

You're just picking semantics - this is a strawman and you haven't actually offered anything substantial or categorically objective to the thread's topic except for what defines a dictionary. You're wasting my time, and you're wasting your own. I won't have discourse with morons, so be constructive, or I'll just ignore you.

No, I'm calling morons what they are because they can't keep up with the difference between the definition of a word and why it is used - I don't care who deems it acceptable and I have already repeatedly stated that I don't like it, don't agree with it's usage, and don't and won't use it. If you haven't figured that out after I've posted it multiple times, then I'm sorry, but calling you a moron is not an insult, it is simply the truth.

So pay REALLY close attention - the term carebear is used pejoratively to refer to a certain group of players. I don't care WHY it is used. I want to know what that group of players is - that group probably takes offence to this term, so I'm not surprised that they are trying to deflect this definition in another direction, but as we've established, the term defines attitude more than it does a certain group of players, thereby widening the group of players to include both PvP and PvE playstyles.

You have had a personal problem with my post from the start, and have offered nothing constructive except to accuse me of trolling based on your OWN opinion of what you think you know about me - I'm sorry, and this isn't an insult either but simple fact based on observation, but that makes you a bit arrogant. Possibly even quite pompous. I don't care for it. I'm only interested in people that can offer interesting thoughts on the topic of what or who a carebear is referring to, and not WHY it is referring to them that way. Why is this so hard for you to understand? What is it about this that you cannot grasp?

IF, for arguments sake, I was to consider the cases put forward by people that defined the term using accusatory definitions of the people that use it, then wouldn't that subject me to bias by accepting an accusatory definition? If someone comes in here and says "carebears are little nancy crybabies that can't stop complaining," I would reject that as much as I would someone that said, "Carebear is a term used by butthurt nulbears that don't like people playing the game the way they want to play it."

Are you beginning to see a pattern here? Because I'm not going to go through it again. If you can't get it this time, you're just going to join the ranks of morons whose posts I hide because if I wanted a headache, I would rather smash my face against a brick wall than read more idiocy from people who miss the point completely.

Care-bears are racist against us nullsec dwellers. They think we should use separate asteroid belts and call me funny names. They use CONCORD to repress anyone who dares to speak out in their homeland. I ask you: who is the real monster here?

It was before you brought your stupid in here. Have you actually read any of it?

Here's an example of an intelligent post. Try it out sometime, a little intelligence might make you feel better.

You just won't stop it with the insults.

vOv I admit it. I'll stop being a turd for a moment. But the 'not a dictionary' thing is stupid. For the record.

Don't expect much from this it's going to be a bit disorganised and I'm getting tired

First, carebearing. I and others I know use it to describe some activities. Mining and mission running. The PvE content. When I'm running missions, I am carebearing. I'm being a bear. Bearing it up. Mining, incursions (which are team oriented, I think this is important, carebearing isn't only used to describe solo play) and lowsec exploration I have heard being described as carebearing. For some reason people who aren't carebears can do carebearing? I haven't heard industry, hauling or market play described this way.

Carebear. Someone who is risk-averse? We all suffer some aversion to doing things we think are too risky. PvPers might not go on a lowsec e: nullsec roam with an expensive implant set because they're almost certain to lose it, but they won't be called carebears for that. I think when used like this it means someone who is overly-averse to risk or someone who has poor risk-management skills due to lack of experience. I think. It's used to describe these people but not always as an insult. A pvp corp would call a member who hasn't been killing or dying much recently a carebear as a joke.

There are those who will take risks and are called carebears. They're in a game like eve, but they like being carebears in a game that includes all these options about what you can do. I like to think that's how I started out - I was drawn to EVE by tales of Ponzi schemes, thefts and general shenanigans, but at first I just wanted to run some missions and give mining a go. I was ganked while running missions but I didn't mind, because I was in lowsec and I expected that. I was a carebear, but I wasn't overly risk-averse?

Those who are overly risk-averse and who demand the game change to fit them, or who refuse to acknowledge that other people are allowed to affect their activities, are called carebears. But then, they're falling within the overly-risk-averse bit already, aren't they? I think they're just the people most likely to be called carebear as an insult. You can probably describe them more accurately as themeparkers or self-entitled, but carebear is the insult vOv

ehhh then there's angry carebears using carebear against pvpers as an insult because they're so pissy about being called carebears? that's not the cool 'i know imma bear but i just like beein a bear mang get mah hunny' carebear it's the 'i demand you not attack me because it's a sandbox' carebears. i think they're usually using carebear in a different way to how most others would use it, because they don't quite understand the word? Or they're using it in a different way than normal to justify using it as an insult?

There was a mention of people taking large fleets, and risk aversion. People take large fleets because everybody in corp wanted to fly around for a bit. Or it's funny to use an inordinate level of force. Or because engaging in a fight you can't win is insane and having a larger fleet increases your engagement options. Risk aversion, risk management, but I haven't seen anyone called carebears for it except by people looking to insult them. I don't think this is how carebear is commonly used as an insult but where the meaning has been changed a little

Oh, then there are those who identify as anti-pvpers or anti-goonswarm or whatever who will call themselves carebears in order to place themselves in what they perceive to be the opposite camp of whoever they're hating at.

Eehhh is there a definition in there? I don't know. Them's the ways I can remember having seen the word used, though. If you see the word being used as an insult, I think, there's no real definition behind it as it's used, because the actual meaning is fluid? As an insult it's used against the overly-risk-averse, especially those who refuse to acknowledge the nature of EVE Online or who are not only risk-averse but who refuse to take action themselves to address risk.

If I had to use one word to describe them, they're all scum

Man, is this thread still going? Jeez...

I reject or ignore the opinions that are emotionally biased. That is all.

I'm not expecting there to be a singular, all-round definition. Many words have multiple uses, and I'm not expecting an exception to that, especially given the disparate opinions.

However, an opinion based on "I don't like carebears" or "I don't like being called a carebear" is unacceptable.