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Shield boost nerf last night?
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Xeromax Tadaruwa
Binary Fluidity
#1 - 2012-11-10 18:27:41 UTC
As of last night, it appears shield boosters/amplifiers are draining cap to empty after a few minutes, even if cap stable. Anyone else experiencing this?
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#2 - 2012-11-10 18:31:28 UTC
What are you fighting?

Sansha energy vamping was always as over powered as Guristas I-Win ECM, it just wasn't as in your face.
Xeromax Tadaruwa
Binary Fluidity
#3 - 2012-11-10 18:39:14 UTC
Nothing really that was vamping. Even out at safe spots just sitting, it slowly kills cap even at 24% stable.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2012-11-10 18:57:19 UTC
Cap stable doesn't mean it won't drain cap. It will probably stabilize when the capacitor is down to about 30%. If it doesn't, then I don't know.

Oh god.
Xeromax Tadaruwa
Binary Fluidity
#5 - 2012-11-10 19:12:09 UTC
Yeah I understand that cap stable doesn't equate to no cap drain. However, I have been using this particular fit for the past few months with no changes and no issues. Until last night that is. And it all seems tied to the shield booster and amplifier.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#6 - 2012-11-10 19:14:38 UTC
Did you train a skill which reduces the cycle time on one of your active mods? Shorter cycle times mean extra cap costs.

Oh god.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#7 - 2012-11-10 19:16:00 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Did you train a skill which reduces the cycle time on one of your active mods? Shorter cycle times mean extra cap costs.


Implants can also do this.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-11-10 19:18:38 UTC
Cap stable at 20% means at that point the recharge will sustain your booster assuming the drain of the shield booster was spread out over the entire cycle time (so if it cost 500 gj every 5 seconds it assumes 100 gj/s cap drain)

In reality, it takes 500 gj/s at a time. This can cause the shield booster to "alpha" your cap below peak recharge, and once it's below peak recharge the capacitor can't keep up.

Basically, 20% cap stable with a big booster might not actually be stable.
Xeromax Tadaruwa
Binary Fluidity
#9 - 2012-11-10 19:26:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Xeromax Tadaruwa
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Cap stable at 20% means at that point the recharge will sustain your booster assuming the drain of the shield booster was spread out over the entire cycle time (so if it cost 500 gj every 5 seconds it assumes 100 gj/s cap drain)

In reality, it takes 500 gj/s at a time. This can cause the shield booster to "alpha" your cap below peak recharge, and once it's below peak recharge the capacitor can't keep up.

Basically, 20% cap stable with a big booster might not actually be stable.



Maybe I'm not being clear. This was not an issue on this fit. It worked fine for the past few months. It only started last night in the middle of a lvl 4 mission.
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#10 - 2012-11-10 19:34:45 UTC
It's probably just a ui bug. If it is a bug, it should go to 0 than it'll become 100% etc and you'll get 36565748393948776564636367 out of 200 cap in ship info.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#11 - 2012-11-10 19:34:54 UTC
Xeromax Tadaruwa wrote:
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Cap stable at 20% means at that point the recharge will sustain your booster assuming the drain of the shield booster was spread out over the entire cycle time (so if it cost 500 gj every 5 seconds it assumes 100 gj/s cap drain)

In reality, it takes 500 gj/s at a time. This can cause the shield booster to "alpha" your cap below peak recharge, and once it's below peak recharge the capacitor can't keep up.

Basically, 20% cap stable with a big booster might not actually be stable.



Maybe I'm not being clear. This was not an issue on this fit. It worked fine for the past few months. It only started last night in the middle of a lvl 4 mission.


Yes! CCP are the evil masters. Yes! CCP are the ones doing sudden for no reason stealth nerfs because Yes! they can.

And yes maybe you should, reboot your pc, clear your cache, get rid of 'Machonet', check if your fit is really the same then before or even tell us you din't fly and lose a T3 before starting wild rumors.
Xeromax Tadaruwa
Binary Fluidity
#12 - 2012-11-10 19:48:22 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Xeromax Tadaruwa wrote:
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Cap stable at 20% means at that point the recharge will sustain your booster assuming the drain of the shield booster was spread out over the entire cycle time (so if it cost 500 gj every 5 seconds it assumes 100 gj/s cap drain)

In reality, it takes 500 gj/s at a time. This can cause the shield booster to "alpha" your cap below peak recharge, and once it's below peak recharge the capacitor can't keep up.

Basically, 20% cap stable with a big booster might not actually be stable.



Maybe I'm not being clear. This was not an issue on this fit. It worked fine for the past few months. It only started last night in the middle of a lvl 4 mission.


Yes! CCP are the evil masters. Yes! CCP are the ones doing sudden for no reason stealth nerfs because Yes! they can.

And yes maybe you should, reboot your pc, clear your cache, get rid of 'Machonet', check if your fit is really the same then before or even tell us you din't fly and lose a T3 before starting wild rumors.



Yes rumors! ;P
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#13 - 2012-11-10 19:52:27 UTC
Hybrid ammo and laser ammo also affect cap stability.

Oh god.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#14 - 2012-11-10 20:48:55 UTC
Yeah post us the fit, which ammo you use and if you have any hardwirings fitted into your noggin

The Drake is a Lie
Miss Teardrop
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-11-11 02:39:59 UTC
Quote:
Yeah post us the fit, which ammo you use and if you have any hardwirings fitted into your noggin



Please add what systems you frequent for as full diagnostic rundown.
Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#16 - 2012-11-11 05:09:02 UTC
Miss Teardrop wrote:
Quote:
Yeah post us the fit, which ammo you use and if you have any hardwirings fitted into your noggin



Please add what systems you frequent for as full diagnostic rundown.


Yes because an incursion could be affecting your stats.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-11-11 05:10:59 UTC
Clystan wrote:
Miss Teardrop wrote:
Quote:
Yeah post us the fit, which ammo you use and if you have any hardwirings fitted into your noggin



Please add what systems you frequent for as full diagnostic rundown.


Yes because an incursion could be affecting your stats.

Incursions don't reduce ship capacitor.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#18 - 2012-11-11 05:42:22 UTC
By any chance did you use the fitting utility on this ship recently? I have had a couple cases where a saved fit wouldn't work right but manually rebuilding the ship did.

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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#19 - 2012-11-11 06:32:35 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
By any chance did you use the fitting utility on this ship recently? I have had a couple cases where a saved fit wouldn't work right but manually rebuilding the ship did.


Stealth Nerf... or Nerf to stealth....

Is this a good time to mention "Cloaking Gas"?

Now with 100% less Troll.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-11-11 07:54:41 UTC
People really need to learn how to read things properly .... *facepalm*