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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#341 - 2012-11-10 18:33:22 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly.


Griefing is bannable, and quite rightly so. You should petition griefers without hesitation and let the GMs take care of business. Sadly, for you, we are not griefing. Everything the new order does complies with the EULA.

As for cowardly, no, it's just people adapting and reacting to changes made by CCP. The real cowards are the miners, like Jacob Amaris, who whines like a little girl in local pleading for someone else to kill us, but who wouldn't dream of turning off his mining lasers long enough to do it himself. It's an isk per hour thing, you see? Better to leave that barge AFK mining and come to the forum to whine to the devs.

I might also add that it's fun! Many of our "victims" have a damn good time with us in their system, sharing laughs and great conversation, while they tediously chip away at that ice cube in the hope that this cycle will finish the bugger off. Big smile


It's giving people grief, why would you argue that you're not? The forums clearly indicate the 'keen distress' necessary to use that word.

And the fact that miners are cowards doesn't mean bumpers aren't. News flash. They both are.
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#342 - 2012-11-10 18:33:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly.


AFK mining is a way that someone discovered as a method of printing ISK while not actually playing the game, it griefs other miners without concord interference by devaluing their labours and time to the lowest common denominator


I agree.


I salute you sir, you can see both sides of the argument,



LOL it "griefs other miners" Lol

maybe even a derp like you can admit that is a bit of a stretch, hmm? Roll
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#343 - 2012-11-10 18:38:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly.


Griefing is bannable, and quite rightly so. You should petition griefers without hesitation and let the GMs take care of business. Sadly, for you, we are not griefing. Everything the new order does complies with the EULA.

As for cowardly, no, it's just people adapting and reacting to changes made by CCP. The real cowards are the miners, like Jacob Amaris, who whines like a little girl in local pleading for someone else to kill us, but who wouldn't dream of turning off his mining lasers long enough to do it himself. It's an isk per hour thing, you see? Better to leave that barge AFK mining and come to the forum to whine to the devs.

I might also add that it's fun! Many of our "victims" have a damn good time with us in their system, sharing laughs and great conversation, while they tediously chip away at that ice cube in the hope that this cycle will finish the bugger off. Big smile


It's giving people grief, why would you argue that you're not? The forums clearly indicate the 'keen distress' necessary to use that word.

And the fact that miners are cowards doesn't mean bumpers aren't. News flash. They both are.


miners aren't necessarily cowards. Do you want to edit that statement? Bumping however is a high-sec only activity. This we know.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#344 - 2012-11-10 18:42:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Fabulous Rod wrote:

maybe even a derp like you can admit that is a bit of a stretch, hmm? Roll


Please define derp, I read it as you're calling me slightly simple, nothing could be further from the truth. I'm willing to present examples and arguments to support my position, whereas you just simply ignore or ridicule anything you don't agree with, if you really want to contribute please post your arguments instead of just flipping off other peoples, discourse is a two way street, unfortunatley you're not participating, you're just trolling.

It's not a stretch at all, I'm a miner & industrialist on another character, I would like to see the value of both my time and the minerals/products I produce increase, AFK miners prevent this by flooding the market with an excess of overly cheap minerals and ice that they sell direct to buy orders. I consider the bumpers to be carrying out an economic warfare campaign on behalf of those of us that do actually mine while at the keyboard.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#345 - 2012-11-10 18:49:54 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly.


Griefing is bannable, and quite rightly so. You should petition griefers without hesitation and let the GMs take care of business. Sadly, for you, we are not griefing. Everything the new order does complies with the EULA.

As for cowardly, no, it's just people adapting and reacting to changes made by CCP. The real cowards are the miners, like Jacob Amaris, who whines like a little girl in local pleading for someone else to kill us, but who wouldn't dream of turning off his mining lasers long enough to do it himself. It's an isk per hour thing, you see? Better to leave that barge AFK mining and come to the forum to whine to the devs.

I might also add that it's fun! Many of our "victims" have a damn good time with us in their system, sharing laughs and great conversation, while they tediously chip away at that ice cube in the hope that this cycle will finish the bugger off. Big smile


It's giving people grief, why would you argue that you're not? The forums clearly indicate the 'keen distress' necessary to use that word.

And the fact that miners are cowards doesn't mean bumpers aren't. News flash. They both are.


miners aren't necessarily cowards. Do you want to edit that statement? Bumping however is a high-sec only activity. This we know.


Context, dude. Are we not talking about high-sec miners in an ice field? I see your point and I still like the statement as I wrote it.
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#346 - 2012-11-10 18:50:03 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:

maybe even a derp like you can admit that is a bit of a stretch, hmm? Roll


Nope it's not a stretch at all, I'm a miner & industrialist on another character, I would like to see the value of both my time and the minerals/products I produce increase, AFK miners prevent this by flooding the market with an excess of overly cheap minerals and ice that they sell direct to buy orders. I consider the bumpers as carrying out an economic warfare campaign on behalf of those of us that do actually mine while at the keyboard.



you don't know what the definition of griefing is then. Sounds to me like you fail to adapt and are mad about competitive prices so you are willing to support the use of lame game mechanics that only pitiful cowards would engage in.
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#347 - 2012-11-10 18:51:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly.


Griefing is bannable, and quite rightly so. You should petition griefers without hesitation and let the GMs take care of business. Sadly, for you, we are not griefing. Everything the new order does complies with the EULA.

As for cowardly, no, it's just people adapting and reacting to changes made by CCP. The real cowards are the miners, like Jacob Amaris, who whines like a little girl in local pleading for someone else to kill us, but who wouldn't dream of turning off his mining lasers long enough to do it himself. It's an isk per hour thing, you see? Better to leave that barge AFK mining and come to the forum to whine to the devs.

I might also add that it's fun! Many of our "victims" have a damn good time with us in their system, sharing laughs and great conversation, while they tediously chip away at that ice cube in the hope that this cycle will finish the bugger off. Big smile


It's giving people grief, why would you argue that you're not? The forums clearly indicate the 'keen distress' necessary to use that word.

And the fact that miners are cowards doesn't mean bumpers aren't. News flash. They both are.


miners aren't necessarily cowards. Do you want to edit that statement? Bumping however is a high-sec only activity. This we know.


Context, dude. Are we not talking about high-sec miners in an ice field? I see your point and I still like the statement as I wrote it.


would please explain to me how miners are cowardly? I just like to make money AFK while doing other **** and I'm STILL taking a much bigger risk than any bumper. Some people just like to get baked and mine or chop trees for hours or whatever, it has nothing to do with being a coward.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#348 - 2012-11-10 19:00:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Fabulous Rod wrote:

you don't know what the definition of griefing is then. Sounds to me like you fail to adapt and are mad about competitive prices so you are willing to support the use of lame game mechanics that only pitiful cowards would engage in.


I know the definition of griefing thanks, however if you would care to explain it without resorting to being censored by the swear filter please do so.

Like others I have adapted, I purchase the basic minerals, tritanium and pyerite for production from others because it's just not worth me mining them any more, I stick to the other minerals such as mexallon and isogen for both resale and production purposes. Others choose to disrupt the AFK mining activities in the hope of making it untenable to AFK mine, and also to possibly increase the value of minerals and ice on the market. If there is a scarcity of minerals or ice on the market due to mining activities being disrupted the prices may well rise as demand outstrips supply. Currently the prices are low because there is a glut of minerals and ice that far exceeds the demand for them.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#349 - 2012-11-10 19:00:16 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:


would please explain to me how miners are cowardly? I just like to make money AFK while doing other **** and I'm STILL taking a much bigger risk than any bumper.


I would gladly do so, but I would just be repeating information already given earlier by another poster: "The real cowards are the miners, like Jacob Amaris, who whines like a little girl in local pleading for someone else to kill us, but who wouldn't dream of turning off his mining lasers long enough to do it himself. It's an isk per hour thing, you see? Better to leave that barge AFK mining and come to the forum to whine to the devs."

Whining about bumpers while ignoring the problems with AFK mining is rather cowardly.
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#350 - 2012-11-10 19:01:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:


would please explain to me how miners are cowardly? I just like to make money AFK while doing other **** and I'm STILL taking a much bigger risk than any bumper.


I would gladly do so, but I would just be repeating information already given earlier by another poster: "The real cowards are the miners, like Jacob Amaris, who whines like a little girl in local pleading for someone else to kill us, but who wouldn't dream of turning off his mining lasers long enough to do it himself. It's an isk per hour thing, you see? Better to leave that barge AFK mining and come to the forum to whine to the devs."

Whining about bumpers while ignoring the problems with AFK mining is rather cowardly.


oh, please! PEOPLE are cowards, it has nothing to do with being a miner. I see no problems with AFK mining. Just that some mining ships bonus like the hulk isn't big enough to reward people who do it actively. That too will prob be changed in time.
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#351 - 2012-11-10 19:07:04 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
I see no problems with AFK mining.


Wow.

I...uhhh....

Wow.


OK, I'm done here. Have a nice discussion.
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#352 - 2012-11-10 19:08:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
I see no problems with AFK mining.


Wow.

I...uhhh....

Wow.


OK, I'm done here. Have a nice discussion.


i know your view, its a narrow minded one. Why can't mining be a afk activity too? The new mackinaw says it can be. Adapt or die, or cry. Cry about mineral prices? Get competitive. But really we should also be asking for buffs to the hulk as well. No reason to think in only one direction.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#353 - 2012-11-10 19:10:20 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
oh, please! PEOPLE are cowards, it has nothing to do with being a miner. I see no problems with AFK mining. Just that some mining ships bonus like the hulk isn't big enough to reward people who do it actively. That too will prob be changed in time.

Roll

Well at least the thread looks shorter now on my screen.
Zak Fey
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#354 - 2012-11-10 19:15:18 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
I see no problems with AFK mining.


Wow.

I...uhhh....

Wow.


OK, I'm done here. Have a nice discussion.


i know your view, its a narrow minded one. Why can't mining be a afk activity too? The new mackinaw says it can be. Adapt or die, or cry. Cry about mineral prices? Get competitive. But really we should also be asking for buffs to the hulk as well. No reason to think in only one direction.

Adapt or die, or cry. The bumpers aren't going anywhere.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#355 - 2012-11-10 19:15:30 UTC
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
I see no problems with AFK mining.


Wow.

I...uhhh....

Wow.


OK, I'm done here. Have a nice discussion.


I'm sorry to see him drive you out of the conversation like that - it was nice to briefly interact with you. You're more than welcome to join us for the next bumping party.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#356 - 2012-11-10 19:19:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Zak Fey wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
I see no problems with AFK mining.


Wow.

I...uhhh....

Wow.


OK, I'm done here. Have a nice discussion.


i know your view, its a narrow minded one. Why can't mining be a afk activity too? The new mackinaw says it can be. Adapt or die, or cry. Cry about mineral prices? Get competitive. But really we should also be asking for buffs to the hulk as well. No reason to think in only one direction.

Adapt or die, or cry. The bumpers aren't going anywhere.


gayme mechanics get removed. I guess we will see, wont we Cool I'm just pointing out the obvious, I've never even had a problem with bumpers personally, really quite dispassionate about this. But its fun with the cowards bringing lame mechanics like this into the light of day.

I feel confident and I feel like you bumpers are scared.
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#357 - 2012-11-10 19:24:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
admiral root wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
I see no problems with AFK mining.


Wow.

I...uhhh....

Wow.


OK, I'm done here. Have a nice discussion.


I'm sorry to see him drive you out of the conversation like that - it was nice to briefly interact with you. You're more than welcome to join us for the next bumping party.


haha, he crapped all over your stupid arguments and validated me but you'll take anything to try and get at me, won't you? Lol

I know the truth must irk you, being called a cowardly high-sec griefer. Deal with it.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#358 - 2012-11-10 19:27:53 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
haha, he crapped all over your stupid arguments and validated me but you'll take anything to try and get at me, won't you? Lol

I know the truth must irk you, being called a cowardly high-sec griefer. Deal with it.


Actually, you took a potential ally and drove him away. Well played, old chap.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#359 - 2012-11-10 19:29:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
admiral root wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
haha, he crapped all over your stupid arguments and validated me but you'll take anything to try and get at me, won't you? Lol

I know the truth must irk you, being called a cowardly high-sec griefer. Deal with it.


Actually, you took a potential ally and drove him away. Well played, old chap.


actually, I found out he wasn't as smart or as open minded as i thought he was. Its hard to match this though, I got to admit I'm kinda rough on ppl. Sorry for crapping on you all so hard with logical arguments.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#360 - 2012-11-10 19:32:40 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
haha, he crapped all over your stupid arguments and validated me but you'll take anything to try and get at me, won't you? Lol

I know the truth must irk you, being called a cowardly high-sec griefer. Deal with it.


Actually, you took a potential ally and drove him away. Well played, old chap.


actually, I found out he wasn't as smart or as open minded as i thought he was. Its hard to match this though, I got to admit I'm kinda rough on ppl. Sorry for crapping on you all so hard with logical arguments.


Ah, the old "anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot" argument. You're really scraping the bottle fo the barrel.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff