Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Have people actually given hard tests to some of these on test? I hear tell about how viscous and op the Maller is on EFT, but I also notice it is very slow, TERRIBLY cap inefficient, and does not have enough mid slots to try and make up for it, on that same EFT.

What I am looking for is how this, the Stabber, the Vexor, etc., are performing on test vs other cruisers, frigates, and dessies.

Any feedback available would be appreciated. Between the Maller, and the new Amarr dessie, I am starting to see a trend of Amarr ships that look like they will not be able to play solo or small group overly well without very heavy support (again, looking at it from an outside perspective, as I can not get on to test and get my greedy little fingers into them in person).

~Z

Basically the maller is unusable because of cap, and the omen is alright but outperformed by either the caracal or thorax, depending on what range you want to be at.

I'm seeing a trend of amarr ships that used to be terrible, then get re-done and are still terrible. I don't think they're even good at gangs, since lasers and armour are both so bad.

I did some tests..

And found out that starting at 0 the Maller gets outbrawled by a shield rupture because it caps out completely before it can kill it. was rather depressing.

So as always: maller used only as bait or brawler maller with blasters.

You definitely wouldn't like my shield tanked / heavy neutron fit then.

He doesn't get that to work.:

Not my the standard definition of working at least..

When I used to be in RvB little rule, fight with =ish number of Cruisers side with the most Mallers usually loses. 90% of the time they are 180mm or Small Pulse Laser Fit. So your fleet first pops the Dessies, then the Thorax's, Vexor's, Ruptures, High DPS Frigates then you turn to the Mallers and most of your Dmg Dealers are still on the Field because they didn't bring enough DPS to take em out, they brought Mallers.

Current High tank Maller Fits you are very lucky to break 200DPS so they don't do much but wait until all the DPS is off the field then die. Nuetron Shield Maller does okay DPS with no tank but not as much DPS as other ships that are bonused so you are left with a slow ship that takes a while to get into range and the only benefit is you are not shot at first. It only works if their is a bunch of better ships on the field or your side brought a bunch of useless Mallers they can chew through first instead of better ships.

For actual 10-20man gang combat it is one of the worst things to bring. That is why I left RvB, about 10 of us get into Cruisers and you can guarantee 5 will be Mallers because they don't want to be primaries first and just want to soak up kills made by the high DPS Ships until they die. That is why I like it when the FC calls no Mallers.

Hopefully with this expansion people will fit their Gang Mallers like Combat Ships, might even be enough to get me to go back.

Maller will still be bad from what I can tell. The DPS is still sub par and the lack of drones is very painful (and might I add unusual for an amarr ship).

I don't see how the new amarr dessie is dissapointing (other than in it's appearance, concept art looked far better). In terms of solo PvP, I believe the amarr dessie is one of the strongest (the other being the minmatar dessie - interceptor mwd bonus wut?). Neuts are absolutely devastating against frigs... and if a frig doesn't have enough cap to run their prop mod, you've basically already won, I am very excited about the new Amarr dessie.

The neuts will only really work against brawler frigs. It does not have the range of medium / large neuts. And the other dessies will dismantle it as well. ... but that is for dessies thread, don't mean do derail this one. The comment about the dessie was just part of my comment about the ships coming in.

~Z

You say this as if it has not been thought of. Have you tried it on test yet? Being forced to put on a cap booster just to be able to fire guns is a bit much, wouldn't you think? In particular on a ship that only has 3 slots to begin with (2 really, since all ships need prop mods in pvp).

I can understand using a cap booster to make a ship stable or last much longer when using every thing overheated in the middle of combat, or if it is being neuted. Thats what they are for. But there needs to be at least a good foundation to start, and the Maller does not have anywhere near that in regards to cap usage at the moment.