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cloaky T3 - no proteus.
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Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-11-08 23:55:23 UTC
so, assuming you cant use a proteus what is 2nd choice as a cloaky t3 and how would you fit it?

fake edit: yes thats right I am asking for fits because I just cant be arsed to EFT through it all. Sue me :(
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Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-11-09 00:28:44 UTC
Solo or gang?
Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-11-09 08:55:28 UTC
solo

I kind of assume its the Loki but when i run the figures it seems to be coming up about 300 DPS which is MILES off the proteus.
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Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-11-09 09:05:10 UTC
My pre-nerf HML cloaky+nullified Tengu gets nearly 400 DPS.
You'll get more if you fit HAMs, the Ejection Bay sub, and throw a non-covert cloak on, but you lose cloaked speed as well as range.
I use CN BCSs though. Also two rigors and one flare for rigs help dmg application immensely.

I've only had the Tengu for a few weeks though, but there are many many pilots who can offer more detailed info.

Good luck
Yorick rashnikov
The Illuminatii
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#5 - 2012-11-09 10:46:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Yorick rashnikov
tengu with HAM's is your best bet if you don't want to train for a proteus.
the loki can get some pretty decent damage as well.

stay away from the nullifier sub, it's baaaad(unless you're travelling).
Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-11-09 11:30:03 UTC
ok.

I can fly all 4 strategic cruisers. I have all subsystem skills at 5. I have all support skills at either 4 or 5.

this is just for information, what im saying is - dont worry about what i can/cant fly or fit as its not an issue.

I will be flying in hostile null sec space and thus it has to be a covert cloak, and in all probability it will need the interdiction nullifier as well.

Tengu or Loki then?
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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-11-09 14:02:54 UTC
cloaky HAM tengu will be pretty awesome

I should buy an Ishtar.
Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-11-09 14:29:18 UTC
The Legion isn't even really a contestant (sigh)

I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.
Seraph Castillon
In Control
Neon Nightmares
#9 - 2012-11-09 14:57:42 UTC
So you can fly the ship you want, but you don't want to fly it. You want something else instead?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2012-11-09 15:33:42 UTC
As it seems that you're not going to be using it for pvp, just slap some nanos, warp stabs and an MWD on a Loki and you're golden










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Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-11-09 18:18:44 UTC
cheers for the replies

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-11-09 20:03:34 UTC
Rellik B00n wrote:
ok.

I can fly all 4 strategic cruisers. I have all subsystem skills at 5. I have all support skills at either 4 or 5.

this is just for information, what im saying is - dont worry about what i can/cant fly or fit as its not an issue.

I will be flying in hostile null sec space and thus it has to be a covert cloak, and in all probability it will need the interdiction nullifier as well.

Tengu or Loki then?



Loki

+agility
+speed
+awesome slot layout, generous fittings
+excellent dps
+dmg choice/application
+shield tanking (easy mode [ON] )
+capless guns

However with next missiles revamp HAM's Tengu might as well become really interesting (even more interesting dps wise than Loki)

brb
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#13 - 2012-11-10 03:13:24 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:


However with next missiles revamp HAM's Tengu might as well become really interesting (even more interesting dps wise than Loki)


What's the latest on the HAM changes? Got a link or a summary?
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#14 - 2012-11-10 03:17:55 UTC
Dibblerette wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:


However with next missiles revamp HAM's Tengu might as well become really interesting (even more interesting dps wise than Loki)


What's the latest on the HAM changes? Got a link or a summary?


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029&find=unread


CCP Fozzie wrote:
All Missiles
Increase missile acceleration so that real range is much closer to the client assumed range of flighttime*speed against a stationary target. This means a slight range buff for all missiles, and missiles will act in a way that is more intuitive to newer players.

Short Range Missiles
Change the Guided Missile Precision skill, as well as all associated implants and rigs to affect all subcap missiles
Reduce HAM launcher PG requirements by 10%

Light Missiles
-Decrease all Light Missile Launcher fitting requirements by 2pg and 4cpu
-Explosion radius reduced from 50 to 40
-Damage increased by 10% (rounded to closest digit)
-Affects all variant light missiles, including FOF.

Heavy Missiles
-Base flight time reduced by 35%
-Base velocity increased by 14.66%
-In total, base range reduced by ~25%
-Damage decreased by 10% (rounded to closest digit)
-Explosion radius increased by 12%
-Affects all variant Heavy missiles, including FOF.

Tech Two Missiles
-Remove ship penalties from tech two missiles (ship velocity and signature radius)
-Precision: Increase bonuses to explosion velocity to +20%, increase damage to match T1 missiles
-Fury: Increase damage bonus to +35%, reduce flight time to 75% of T1, unify penalties to explosion radius (+72%) and velocity (-16%) across the sizes
-Javelin: Just remove ship penalties
-Rage: Increase damage bonus to +35%, Unify flight time to match T1, unify velocity penalty (-16.7%), unify penalty to explosion velocity (-14%), increase penalty to explosion radius (+72%)

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-11-10 04:46:57 UTC
Loki

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