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Are Empire-dwellers' threats of attacking nullseccers ever followed through?
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Pipa Porto
#41 - 2012-11-08 22:20:17 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Andski wrote:
force a fight then


Yeah, i'd just love to go 1 v 5000.

For years now i've been suggesting the game allow more guerrilla warfare in 0.0. Then you'd see people launching attacks into 0.0 frequently. As it is now, we have to patiently wait while the defender gathers as many people as they can before they decide to fight. It may as well be turn based.


Sounds like someone doesn't understand what mechanics are available to force fights. Or, more likely, doesn't understand what the term "force a fight" means.

And yeah, of course you're going to lose if you try to directly attack the capital of what is effectively a country by yourself. What's the lesson to learn from that truism? Don't go by yourself.

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#42 - 2012-11-08 22:22:13 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
And yeah, of course you're going to lose if you try to directly attack the capital of what is effectively a country by yourself. What's the lesson to learn from that truism?

Whine more on the forums.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-11-08 22:23:29 UTC
hard to do guerilla warfare when the enemy's support infrastructure is based in highsec
whoops forgot you are angrily against anything that makes that less necessary or possible
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-11-08 22:26:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Bane Necran wrote:
Andski wrote:
force a fight then


Yeah, i'd just love to go 1 v 5000.

For years now i've been suggesting the game allow more guerrilla warfare in 0.0. Then you'd see people launching attacks into 0.0 frequently. As it is now, we have to patiently wait while the defender gathers as many people as they can before they decide to fight. It may as well be turn based.


"the game needs more guerilla warfare in 0.0, I can tell you that from my experience mining veldspar"

it's hilarious that you think that this isn't already possible

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#45 - 2012-11-08 22:48:05 UTC
Quote:
It may as well be turn based.


Actually, that's not a fair comparison. Even in turn based games they only allow you to defend with things in the immediate area, not gather forces from one end of the empire to the other on the same turn you're attacked.

And try all you might to dismiss what i said, you still never successfully argued it.

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BearJews
Order of Extrodinary Gentlemen
#46 - 2012-11-08 23:08:22 UTC
I remember there being a fight against incursion greifers. That was pretty cool. Course all da goons will say, da fuq?
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#47 - 2012-11-09 00:31:50 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Yes and no.

Empire dwellers dwell in empire for a reason. The ones who REALLY REALLY wanted to fight back became nullbears. Those who didn't, didn't, and stayed put.


This is true. Way back when (last year), I was a high sec ice miner. Care-bear par excellence. Goons came and ganked me a few times during the ice interdiction, I tried to stop them, and I realized I had no idea how to fight. So I moved to nullsec vowing revenge.

Well a year has passed. I'm starting to know how to fight. I'm really enjoying the game more than I ever have. I've made many new friends. And now I'm not so bothered about "revenge". In fact I'm kind of grateful to the goons for forcing me to change my play-style and realize that the game isn't just about fat wallets and shiny modules.

I can imaging that this has happened to more than one care-bear. As for the ones that yell and scream in local and threaten to bring the might of empire (lol!) down on you, well yeah good luck with that. Filthy neutrals.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#48 - 2012-11-09 01:10:37 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
And yeah, of course you're going to lose if you try to directly attack the capital of what is effectively a country by yourself. What's the lesson to learn from that truism? Don't go by yourself.

You dirty blobber <3

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SassyLassy
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-11-09 05:27:30 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
'I'm going to take down Goonswarm' usually means 'I'm gonna whine at CCP to nerf Goonswarm' or 'I'm Prencleeve Grothsmore's 500th alt.'

The few who actually kamikaze null usually die to the bored EC crew.



and then goons complain because supers/titans are to strong, blah blah blah,
As justin timberlake says 'CRY ME A RIVER'

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Pipa Porto
#50 - 2012-11-09 05:28:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
And yeah, of course you're going to lose if you try to directly attack the capital of what is effectively a country by yourself. What's the lesson to learn from that truism? Don't go by yourself.

You dirty blobber <3


Yep. If I want to fight for Sov, I will bring as many friends as possible. Just any real world army. How in the world have people come to the misapprehension that 2 is not more effective than 1?


At the moment, though, I'm enjoying screwing with other people's sov without any intention of taking Sov. (@OP, this is generally what you call guerrilla warfare. And yes, there are certainly targets.)

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Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-11-09 06:23:07 UTC
Meh why bother, would be a waste of ISK even if you kill a ship or two... It's all about the ISK!!!

Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#52 - 2012-11-09 06:29:20 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Periodically, there are some super brave residents of empire space who decide they've had enough of being comedic relief for bored 0.0 alliances, and they decide to start yelling about how they will smack down whoever has wronged them (usually Goonswarm). There's a lot of noise about it, but then it dies out as if nothing happened.

Why? Did they make good on these threats, but fail horribly? Was there simply not enough interest / not enough people willing to shoot stuff? Did they just have a cup of tea and calm down?

Something like this actually happening and being a "big thing" would be great. Why hasn't it happened yet?


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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2012-11-09 06:33:05 UTC
Wivabel wrote:
The real question is how much of high sec is actually made up of individual players rather than null pilot alts.

Wivabel

True story. Found a bunch of guys to run incursions with. Second most popular topic on comms? "Gotta get that supercarrier".
Not to mention that the first incursion runner I've ever run into was a guy from... Hm, was it TEST? I think it was.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#54 - 2012-11-09 06:33:28 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
A nice illustration of the utility of EVE as an extended social experiment


So... am I rite or am I rite? :)


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Mr Pragmatic
#55 - 2012-11-09 07:03:34 UTC
Its simply not worth the Isk. Why go after the unwashed null sec masses, when we can make tons of isk in the empire.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#56 - 2012-11-09 07:48:42 UTC
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
Its simply not worth the Isk. Why go after the unwashed null sec masses, when we can make tons of isk in the empire.


Because the game isn't about isk? That's like saying "Why should I ever undock, when I can get all the skillpoints I'll ever need right here in my Captain's Quarters?"
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-11-09 15:26:27 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
Its simply not worth the Isk. Why go after the unwashed null sec masses, when we can make tons of isk in the empire.


Because the game isn't about isk? That's like saying "Why should I ever undock, when I can get all the skillpoints I'll ever need right here in my Captain's Quarters?"


Meet the Trader. He's never left the station still has a rookie ship after 5+ years in game, and yet he could buy and sell your Corp ten times over.

People who stay in EVE past the trial are there because doing what they do makes them happy, even if it doesn't make sense to others.
Pipa Porto
#58 - 2012-11-09 15:28:44 UTC
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
Its simply not worth the Isk. Why go after the unwashed null sec masses, when we can make tons of isk in the empire.


So your idea of fun is watching a number slowly ratchet up on the left side of your screen. Fair enough. And your assertion is that that is true of the rest of HS and explains why they don't do anything about the **** they whine about.

Then why are they complaining about the **** they whine about? Most of it doesn't affect the better ways of making that number on the left of their screen ratchet up.

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#59 - 2012-11-09 15:32:43 UTC
SassyLassy wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
'I'm going to take down Goonswarm' usually means 'I'm gonna whine at CCP to nerf Goonswarm' or 'I'm Prencleeve Grothsmore's 500th alt.'

The few who actually kamikaze null usually die to the bored EC crew.



and then goons complain because supers/titans are to strong, blah blah blah,
As justin timberlake says 'CRY ME A RIVER'

I don't recall anyone ever doing it in supers or titans, sorry.
Pipa Porto
#60 - 2012-11-09 15:38:21 UTC
SassyLassy wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
'I'm going to take down Goonswarm' usually means 'I'm gonna whine at CCP to nerf Goonswarm' or 'I'm Prencleeve Grothsmore's 500th alt.'

The few who actually kamikaze null usually die to the bored EC crew.



and then goons complain because supers/titans are to strong, blah blah blah,
As justin timberlake says 'CRY ME A RIVER'


Yes. The Alliance with arguably the largest Supercarrier and Titan fleet in the game was telling CCP to nerf Supercaps to give them a chance against their enemies who they were beating anyway and who had fewer Supers/Titans.

Sounds like crying to me. Roll


Tracking Titans were one shotting Interceptors. They were easily blapping Dictors and Hictors. In other words, they were easily able to keep the field free of effective (and ineffective) tackle all by themselves. But telling CCP that that is broken is "crying to CCP."

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-RubyPorto