Warfare & Tactics

We were actually told in the beginning that worm hole space was going to be the testing ground for removing local in other parts of the game as well. I believe we have had enough time to see it works just fine without having the free warning that someone is in your system.

Having local to me is easy mode and I do not agree with people wanting their hand held even more by nerfing cloaks. Local goes against player vs player combat in my opinion. It gives a free warning to someone that someone else is there and how many. I say we should have to actively use tools ( which could be improved before removing local ) to find targets rather than looking in local and seeing how many people are where.

Thanks for everyone's constructive feedback so far.

Nope, **** off to wh space if you dont like it.

Removing local would destroy pvp...

You realize it would take more effort to find fights. So you sort of answer your own question. Lots of people in this game want more frequent pvp not less frequent pvp.

Thats a big reason worm hole space is so sparsely populated.

There are many reasons which makes wormhole space less populated. I believe not having local is not one of the major ones.

Compared to

1. Not having static entrance and/or exit,
2. Practically not supporting capital ships
3. No sovereignty
4. Not having NPC stations.
5. Not having easy to kill rats.

Local Chat is seriously not that of a big issue.

I don't think not having local chat will increase or decrease the PvP amount at 0.0. It will just change the ways how we PvP.

EDIT: Just disregarding whiners about cloaks, using local as a radar, is just something people laugh at whenever I describe it to new players. Instantly seeing your enemies and almost every information about them is broken game mechanic, and should be replaced with something more reasonable.

It's so obvious to anyone who actually PvP's with any frequency I didn't really think I needed to expand on it. Local is a tool, it's a tool to get PvP. Without it the solo pilot is ******, without it the roaming gang is nearly pointless, without it people will be less inclined to PvP because it would be much more work to find targets. Now if the only PvP you experience is blob warfare over structures like in null, then yeah I can see why you would want to get rid of it...however that's not PvP to most of us, not even close.

Another point is removing local will just protect those who do not want to PvP. I'm never interested in anything that will protect carebears, not at all. Seriously if you want to avoid PvP you should just stay in high sec or a worm hole. The brilliance of this game is the risk involved in everything you do, particularly outside of high sec. Without that this game would be like every other **** MMO out there.

I typically specialize in fighting outnumbered and outgunned, there is nothing more enjoyable to me then killing **** while being blobbed and getting away. Without proper intelligence (local) I could never do that. Analyzing the risk (getting blown up) vs the reward (getting killmails) requires things like local to properly determine whether to engage or not, especially when alone. Blob warfare would even be affected, in that case one blob running from another blob would be able to get away without issue due to no local. Again this would be mitigated in null do to bubbles and so forth, but again most of us find null warfare dreadfully boring, and a bit more like pseudo PvP then real PvP.

Local is THE primary catalyst for creating PvP in Eve, removing it would be one of the dumbest thing CCP has ever done...and that's saying a lot :)



EDIT: Also considering you do not PvP http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Shepard+Book
I don't consider your opinion relevant at all, you simply do not have the experience required to even suggest this. If your main is some pvp god then you should post points like this with him so other folks would take you seriously. As it stands your point is laughable with this pvp record.

This is one of the dumbest and most naive arguments that people make about cloaking.


I do agree a change needs to be made, but I don't think removing local is the answer- on top of that, definitely not a priority as opposed to other 0.0 changes.

Here's an idea: how about cloaking removes someone from the local list, but their ships would show on dscan and can be probed? Problem solved! Cloakers would still have the advantage (not knowing they're there), but would show up on dscan so people that are actually watching would be able to defend themselves!

That is a good question. I have been active in FW for about half a year now in a very active PvP oriented Corp. Most my experience comes from 0.0 I will admit. There are people in every type of space that prefer PVE or PVP and some that do both. I do not think you can say no local only works in wormhole space when it has not even been tried elsewhere.

That's why I believe an improved active scanning mechanism is "essential" before removing the local. With current d-scan it's not enjoyable for me too.

EDIT: Also "local" favors FW pilots which are avoiding combat going for PvE mechanics of it.

What's wrong with free intel? There are tonnes of free things in eve, for example jump gates are free, docking in a station is free?

what? so seeing 30 people jump into your system and us running away isnt destroying pvp?

imagine how many more kills you could get ! without having to use the classic maller/prophecy cyno hotdrop bait!