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Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#61 - 2011-10-19 23:30:56 UTC
Fair point. I guess my post does sorta make us Aussies look bad as well. I'll try to be personal only when someone isn't saying bad things about Aussies ;P
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2011-10-19 23:35:28 UTC
Spend 4 years making one room

blame players for company falling apart

Hmmmm.

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Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2011-10-19 23:39:57 UTC
The Apostle wrote:

The reality in all of this, despite some of the uninformed commentary to the contrary, you simply cannot sack managment to save a company. You can restructure, you can dump some middle staff but you cannot start at the top. Period.


Perhaps this kind of thinking is the cause of the current mess, not just with CCP but globally.

In fact management are totally responsible, and the higher they are the more responsible they are. THAT IS THE WHOLE ******* POINT OF MANAGEMENT.

Therefore they are precisely the ones who should be sacked, and better management found.

The Japanese have the right idea - the person at the top is the one who should have the balls and the sense of responsibility to commit "suicide" (i.e. voluntarily resign) when things go belly-up.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2011-10-19 23:43:04 UTC
Barbelo Valentinian wrote:

The Japanese have the right idea - the person at the top is the one who should have the balls and the sense of responsibility to commit "suicide" (i.e. voluntarily resign) when things go belly-up.

Apparently few nuclear reactors isn't "belly-up enough", so the policy got some flaws.

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest
The Apostle
Doomheim
#65 - 2011-10-19 23:44:30 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Spend 4 years making one room

blame players for company falling apart

Hmmmm.

Keep to the facts mate please.

"The Room" and "The Door" occured less than 6 months ago.

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Sara XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#66 - 2011-10-19 23:44:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The Apostle posts some terrible threads. This is not one of them.



+1
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
S0ns Of Anarchy
#67 - 2011-10-19 23:55:30 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
I can assure you that I never said that management needs to be fired. There are always more creative solutions if you catch my drift.


I see I'm not the only one inspired by that huge fish tank. Think of the fish, their fish food budget just got cut too.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#68 - 2011-10-19 23:55:49 UTC
Barbelo Valentinian wrote:
The Apostle wrote:

The reality in all of this, despite some of the uninformed commentary to the contrary, you simply cannot sack managment to save a company. You can restructure, you can dump some middle staff but you cannot start at the top. Period.


Perhaps this kind of thinking is the cause of the current mess, not just with CCP but globally.

In fact management are totally responsible, and the higher they are the more responsible they are. THAT IS THE WHOLE ******* POINT OF MANAGEMENT.

Therefore they are precisely the ones who should be sacked, and better management found.

The Japanese have the right idea - the person at the top is the one who should have the balls and the sense of responsibility to commit "suicide" (i.e. voluntarily resign) when things go belly-up.

I cannot argue with this because it's beyond my expertise (as it is for most posters here). But the point of my OP is that there are real people involved with real lives and aspirations. At BOTH ends of the spectrum.

I'm simply of the opinion, that as someone who has had to fire staff from my own business because of mistakes I made, if I had fired myself then quite possibly nobody would have a job.

And someone else has already said it, if Hellmar was sacked (which I don't think he can be) then the future of CCP would be even more tenuous. That's to the detriment of everyone, INCLUDING you and I.

Regardless, as a boss, it is an extraordinary tough call sacking staff members, and in many cases, friends. I'm simply asking for a little empathy for all parties.

Yes Eve is a harsh game but for those leaving and those remaining at CCP, it's their life. We need to be mindful of the distinction.

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Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#69 - 2011-10-20 00:02:15 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Spend 4 years making one room

blame players for company falling apart

Hmmmm.

Keep to the facts mate please.

"The Room" and "The Door" occured less than 6 months ago.


Skill some reading compensation skills, he said making one room (i.e. developing). It was deployed 6 months ago but they spent the entire WoD team creating the engine to run the damn thing. It was not optimized, very resource intensive, can't compare to what current games are pumping out for similar content. They spent years on that engine to put that there and touted it....a room or a door. All that development and it was ****.l
The Apostle
Doomheim
#70 - 2011-10-20 00:09:58 UTC
Buruk Utama wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Spend 4 years making one room

blame players for company falling apart

Hmmmm.

Keep to the facts mate please.

"The Room" and "The Door" occured less than 6 months ago.


Skill some reading compensation skills, he said making one room (i.e. developing). It was deployed 6 months ago but they spent the entire WoD team creating the engine to run the damn thing. It was not optimized, very resource intensive, can't compare to what current games are pumping out for similar content. They spent years on that engine to put that there and touted it....a room or a door. All that development and it was ****.l

Reading compensation?

I did compensate (for the lack of knowledge of CCP's ultimate vision).

Did ID software use a proprietary engine? They've been around longer than half the posters in the forums.

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2011-10-20 00:19:36 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Buruk Utama wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Spend 4 years making one room

blame players for company falling apart

Hmmmm.

Keep to the facts mate please.

"The Room" and "The Door" occured less than 6 months ago.


Skill some reading compensation skills, he said making one room (i.e. developing). It was deployed 6 months ago but they spent the entire WoD team creating the engine to run the damn thing. It was not optimized, very resource intensive, can't compare to what current games are pumping out for similar content. They spent years on that engine to put that there and touted it....a room or a door. All that development and it was ****.l

Reading compensation?

I did compensate (for the lack of knowledge of CCP's ultimate vision).

Did ID software use a proprietary engine? They've been around longer than half the posters in the forums.


No seriously are you sleeping with someone in CCP upper management or something?

Ultimate vision? Are you suffering from some from of mental damage?

Brainwashing is to mild a term for your comments.

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Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#72 - 2011-10-20 00:23:12 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Did ID software use a proprietary engine? They've been around longer than half the posters in the forums.


Lets look at Skyrim v. WoD. WoD started development in 2007, Skyrim started development in 2008 after fallout. Bethseda built an entire new engine, AI, graphics input, etc like CCP has tried to do with WoD. Skyrim launches in a few weeks as one of the best RPG of all time...WoD created a fraken room! I'm sorta pissy by this entire development and believe the entire mess lies at the foot of CEO and upper management in the attitude they took towards the players and are now trying to blame all for these woes but those responsible, themselves.

I'm sorry but I don't see his letter as anything but an attempt to stem the blood flow. The game may be mortally wounded at this point and he still thinks he didn't do anything wrong. Look at the latest PI changes that are coming out and the many many things wrong with the implementation (not the change itself, but implementation and secondary affects which were apparently never thought about). CCP. Remember his words: Watch what they do, not what they say. So far CCP likes to say many things but everything regarding eve development currently is solely related to DUST integration and gearing up micro transactions to use plex sales as a replacement to sub numbers.
Comy 1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2011-10-20 00:23:59 UTC
While it sucks that people lose their jobs, I actually prefer that the community team takes a bigger hit than actual devs. You know devs, the people that actually make the new shiny stuff you people want.

While I understand that all you forum warriors are sad faced about your favorite chat partners have to leave, their jobs are not as important for the future of EVE.

Why?

This place is too full of people who love nothing more than whine at anything they can for the sake of whining. Keep as many devs as you can, give me new content!
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2011-10-20 00:24:55 UTC
I have a hard time respecting a company that puts out a grovelling letter of apology just a bit before sacking a lot of people before the Holidays.

Hilmar elevated from simply idiotic megalomania to scum.

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#75 - 2011-10-20 00:28:04 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
No seriously are you sleeping with someone in CCP upper management or something?

Ultimate vision? Are you suffering from some from of mental damage?

Brainwashing is to mild a term for your comments.

"brainwashed" is the past tense, so even if I accept I'm suffering from "brainwashing", for you Sir, it's too late.

Now - back to the question, it's double jeapordy time!

1) Did ID software buy or create their own engine?
2) Are they still developing their own engine?
3) Are they still in business?
4) Do you remember Commander Keen, Wolfenstein and Doom?
5) When were they released?

Gogogo......

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#76 - 2011-10-20 00:29:48 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
I have a hard time respecting ....


Let's just leave it at that.

Of course you could prove me wrong by linking even one post in which you have something positive to say. But we know that will never happen.

Mr Epeen Cool
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2011-10-20 00:30:42 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
No seriously are you sleeping with someone in CCP upper management or something?

Ultimate vision? Are you suffering from some from of mental damage?

Brainwashing is to mild a term for your comments.

"brainwashed" is the past tense, so even if I accept I'm suffering from "brainwashing", for you Sir, it's too late.

Now - back to the question, it's double jeapordy time!

1) Did ID software buy or create their own engine?
2) Are they still developing their own engine?
3) Are they still in business?
4) Do you remember Commander Keen, Wolfenstein and Doom?
5) When were they released?

Gogogo......


Did you mean to quote the other guy or something?

Man you are one metal midget.

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2011-10-20 00:33:10 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
I have a hard time respecting ....


Let's just leave it at that.

Of course you could prove me wrong by linking even one post in which you have something positive to say. But we know that will never happen.

Mr Epeen Cool


that's cause it would be from 2 years ago on the old forums.

Thats how often CCP has let us down since what Apocrypha?

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Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#79 - 2011-10-20 00:33:22 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
No seriously are you sleeping with someone in CCP upper management or something?

Ultimate vision? Are you suffering from some from of mental damage?

Brainwashing is to mild a term for your comments.

"brainwashed" is the past tense, so even if I accept I'm suffering from "brainwashing", for you Sir, it's too late.

Now - back to the question, it's double jeapordy time!

1) Did ID software buy or create their own engine?
2) Are they still developing their own engine?
3) Are they still in business?
4) Do you remember Commander Keen, Wolfenstein and Doom?
5) When were they released?

Gogogo......


1) created
2) no they were bought out and is owned by a company different than the original founders, they are no longer involved except 1 programmer
3) see number 2, they are not the same entity as the original
so under your attempted parallel draw, CCP should be bought out by a much better company at computer games and the original founders pushed out and replaced with people with proper business and game background experience.

Jalapeno Life Preserver
#80 - 2011-10-20 00:41:03 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Spend 4 years making one room

blame players for company falling apart

Hmmmm.


Thank you for reminding me how pissed off I am that I've waiting for establishments for this long and then they come out with an utter failure. I feed on the kind of raw hatred I'm experiencing