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Advice needed from the denizens of EVE for some friends

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Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-11-06 23:42:54 UTC
Recently i was talking to a group of lowsec/highsec players who have said that they want to make the jump to nullsec but are having problems finding a suitable location to get started.

Questions.

1. There are about 30 of them excluding alts who are looking to make a home for themselves. They normally organise small gangs, banging away at passing trade. And they do this nightly and it brings them to most pleasure in this game. In there end of lowsec they are the tops of the food chain and they prey on the bottoms that pass through.


What is the best instrument (3rd party or ingame) to use to decide where a successful insertion into nullsc were they can find their rhythm without having their back doors blown off by the locals as if it happens to many times they will end up limping back to highsec.

They dont mind being part of a standard nullsec daisy chain but if they are on the recieving end of a beating to many times then its highsec for them.


(they have caps and logistics and can spend as much time as is needed to look for a place)


I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-11-06 23:44:38 UTC
join aaa citizens
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#3 - 2012-11-07 00:43:51 UTC
Why do they want to go to null sec for?

Maybe they should go to npc null if they want to stay small and not wanting to deal with what is suppose to happen in null sec.

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Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-11-07 01:13:17 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Why do they want to go to null sec for?

Maybe they should go to npc null if they want to stay small and not wanting to deal with what is suppose to happen in null sec.



I think thats what they are intending. They are not goiing to SOV with that many people
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#5 - 2012-11-07 01:19:01 UTC
Well they could try to get into syndicate. Read jester's blog. Rote Kapelle is cleaning the trash there so small gang pvpers and stuff can move in and operate there.

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adopt
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-11-07 03:11:10 UTC
If they want to try Low/Null they should look around for an NPC region, or a quiet Low-Sec pocket. Use Black-Frog to move their stuff in and investigate the locals.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-11-07 03:16:58 UTC
30 isn't enough unless they plan on living in NPC 0.0.

Sov 0.0 is for empires and nations. Not small villages.
Tug McLub
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#8 - 2012-11-07 03:24:31 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Well they could try to get into syndicate. Read jester's blog. Rote Kapelle is cleaning the trash there so small gang pvpers and stuff can move in and operate there.




lol
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#9 - 2012-11-07 05:35:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Karn Dulake wrote:
were they can find their rhythm without having their back doors blown off by the locals


You think you're all badass and stuff but look, you're just another care-bear.

How about just DO IT, get your back door blown off a couple times, have fun while you do it, and eventually you'll learn enough about the politics and the regions to be able to make a more informed decision. It's just a game. Even if you lose everything you ever earned - so what? You can always get it back - even faster now because you know what works and what doesn't.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-11-07 13:39:34 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
were they can find their rhythm without having their back doors blown off by the locals


You think you're all badass and stuff but look, you're just another care-bear.

How about just DO IT, get your back door blown off a couple times, have fun while you do it, and eventually you'll learn enough about the politics and the regions to be able to make a more informed decision. It's just a game. Even if you lose everything you ever earned - so what? You can always get it back - even faster now because you know what works and what doesn't.



Listen kid

You really should read more. I like to visit Nullsec i could not abide living there permanently. Lowsec is my prefered home.



This post was for a group of friends of mine who needed advice and its been coming thick and fast.

So unless you have something constructive to add then please keep your pointless teenage musing out of my thread
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#11 - 2012-11-07 13:53:22 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:


So unless you have something constructive to add


I think I've given you the best piece of advice in this thread. Not my fault if you fail to recognize it for such. I'd be worried if I was your "friends", though, if they knew you were relying on GD for the "advice" you give them.
SealteamXI
Z-Co.
#12 - 2012-11-07 13:57:32 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:


So unless you have something constructive to add


I think I've given you the best piece of advice in this thread. Not my fault if you fail to recognize it for such. I'd be worried if I was your "friends", though, if they knew you were relying on GD for the "advice" you give them.


Except he already made his mind up what to say and is just posting here for affirmation.
The Djentleman Paulson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#13 - 2012-11-07 14:49:56 UTC
I HEAR LGK IS NICE THIS TIME OF YEAR
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#14 - 2012-11-07 14:52:04 UTC
The Djentleman Paulson wrote:
I HEAR LGK IS NICE THIS TIME OF YEAR


I HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE GO ON CAMPING TRIPS THERE

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#15 - 2012-11-07 14:54:52 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
30 isn't enough unless they plan on living in NPC 0.0.

Sov 0.0 is for empires and nations. Not small villages.



Not true
CausticS0da
Shrubbery Acquisitions
Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance
#16 - 2012-11-07 15:04:33 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
were they can find their rhythm without having their back doors blown off by the locals


You think you're all badass and stuff but look, you're just another care-bear.

How about just DO IT, get your back door blown off a couple times, have fun while you do it, and eventually you'll learn enough about the politics and the regions to be able to make a more informed decision. It's just a game. Even if you lose everything you ever earned - so what? You can always get it back - even faster now because you know what works and what doesn't.



Listen kid

You really should read more. I like to visit Nullsec i could not abide living there permanently. Lowsec is my prefered home.



This post was for a group of friends of mine who needed advice and its been coming thick and fast.

So unless you have something constructive to add then please keep your pointless teenage musing out of my thread



Calling someone a 'kid' and insulting someone for being a 'teenager' (wow what a terrible thing) seems pretty pathetic to me. Just saying...

It's a stupid question. If 'your friends' (rofl) want to join an alliance then apply, or if they want to give it a go as a corp then go to NPC space. The only advice I can give is that you join an anger management class.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#17 - 2012-11-07 15:12:33 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
30 isn't enough unless they plan on living in NPC 0.0.

Sov 0.0 is for empires and nations. Not small villages.



Not true


Please then show us examples of 30 man corps living unmolested in non-npc null then.

This is a good example of people seeing what they want to see rather than what's there. Null Sec is "might makes right" land, if you want to -live- there you need lots of friends in one way or another.
flakeys
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-11-07 15:16:10 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
In there end of lowsec they are the tops of the food chain and they prey on the bottoms that pass through.





but if they are on the recieving end of a beating to many times then its highsec for them.








WE ARE THE TOP OF THE FOODCHAIN , WE ROCK .... just don't kill any ships of us because we'll run back to empire.



Owk ....

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-11-07 15:17:22 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
30 isn't enough unless they plan on living in NPC 0.0.

Sov 0.0 is for empires and nations. Not small villages.



Not true


Please then show us examples of 30 man corps living unmolested in non-npc null then.

This is a good example of people seeing what they want to see rather than what's there. Null Sec is "might makes right" land, if you want to -live- there you need lots of friends in one way or another.



My guess would be he's refering to renting without taking the word rent in the mouth .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#20 - 2012-11-07 15:21:59 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Recently i was talking to a group of lowsec/highsec players who have said that they want to make the jump to nullsec but are having problems finding a suitable location to get started.

Questions.

1. There are about 30 of them excluding alts who are looking to make a home for themselves. They normally organise small gangs, banging away at passing trade. And they do this nightly and it brings them to most pleasure in this game. In there end of lowsec they are the tops of the food chain and they prey on the bottoms that pass through.


What is the best instrument (3rd party or ingame) to use to decide where a successful insertion into nullsc were they can find their rhythm without having their back doors blown off by the locals as if it happens to many times they will end up limping back to highsec.

They dont mind being part of a standard nullsec daisy chain but if they are on the recieving end of a beating to many times then its highsec for them.


(they have caps and logistics and can spend as much time as is needed to look for a place)




The bolded part is why they and people like them don't belong in null sec (or, in my opinion, EVE in general).

I went to null (Syndicate)the 1st time with a corp I joined in faction warfare (FW being my 1st real pvp experience), we formed an alliance with some locals and ended up pretty much dominating Syndicate for months. We made a coalition with other alliances and tried to Cloud Ring. We took a couple systems but the effort drain our cash, so the corp left the Alliance and Joined ATLAS.

Was good for a while, then ATLAS folded, and I joined a buddy of mine in a corp in IT Alliance. IT got rofl-stomped and some guys from my corp joined -A- but didn't like it and left for RAIDEN. RAIDEN got rofl-stomped and I ended up in NCDOT till my corp decided to go elsewhere.

Point of that story is that I've been rofl-stomped out of null sec almost more times than I can count now, I swear if I see AUROHUNNEN or CHAMEMI one more damn time I'm going to pull my hair out (lol). And yet I keep going back, because I like null sec isk and pvp (I like all of EVE and have toons everywhere including my hauling and incursion alts in high sec, but null sec is the best).

Null Sec requires commitment, acceptance of risk, acceptance of both the potential and reality of FAILURE and the ability to shrug it off, bounce back and get "back into the game". If your "friends" aren't like that, Null is just not for them.
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