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Strip miners - T1 or T2?
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Miranda Ctan
Radex Solutions
#1 - 2012-11-06 17:52:05 UTC
So I'll be able to hop into a retriever today, and I was wondering about which strip miners to use.

I'm able to use T2s, but not the crystals yet. So i'll be starting with T1 for sure. But I was wondering if/when it would be worth it for me to upgrade?

How much better is a T2 with crystals? How quickly do the crystals break? On average, how many extras can/should I carry with me?

Thanks
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#2 - 2012-11-06 18:00:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Arcaus Rotrau Romali
I have been using the same set of crystals for several days now, they are approaching 80% borked, if you're near your supply base you probably don't need to keep a spare set in the ship. Now, carrying multiple types so you can switch rocks is a great idea, otherwise you'll waste the benefit of the crystals when they don't match.

edt: The ISK guide says the benefit is around 17% but I'm not sure what skill levels that's based on, but it's a worthwhile improvement IMO. I started using them as soon as I could.
Dave stark
#3 - 2012-11-06 18:07:54 UTC
t2 strips are only worth using if you can use crystals, even t1 crystals. however for the hassle of swapping crystals etc i wouldn't bother with t2 strips until you have t2 crystals.

generally speaking for high sec mining all ships can carry a minimum of 4 crystals of 4 different ore types which is more than sufficient. obviously some ships can carry more however the ones that can carry more have less strips to load crystals in to and as such can carry enough crystals that you really don't need to worry about running out.
Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
#4 - 2012-11-06 18:24:15 UTC
T2 crystals usually take 6-10h before breaking, in high sec so as soon as you can use them, go for it. It's a quite big increase in yield .

Keep a few spare in the ship while mining and swap em out once the belts are 'stripped' of what you want.
CataCourier
Gordon Industries
#5 - 2012-11-06 20:03:07 UTC
I suggest going to t2 crystals ASAP. They are a huge bonus to your mining yield.

The only time I would even think about t1 strips is if you know you have to clear a bunch of smaller rocks where the additional yield would be wasted, or if there is a lot of movement involved.
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#6 - 2012-11-06 21:01:37 UTC
I should clarify my earlier post only relates to t1 crystals, I haven't moved up to the 2's yet.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#7 - 2012-11-06 21:10:14 UTC
CataCourier wrote:
I suggest going to t2 crystals ASAP. They are a huge bonus to your mining yield.

The only time I would even think about t1 strips is if you know you have to clear a bunch of smaller rocks where the additional yield would be wasted, or if there is a lot of movement involved.


I use T1 strippers for Mining missions, but T2 ones with T2 crystals for regular mining.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-11-06 22:36:30 UTC
Strip miners I will out yield modulated strip miners without a crystal.

Train up T2 crystals ASAP. The yield difference between strip miner I's and even T1 crystals is massive. Training to veld, pyro, kern, scor is only a few days of training.

I would say don't waste your time with T1 crystals. Yes they cost a little bit more, but the cost is made up very quickly from the additional yield.

Breakage time is about 10 hours. Just throw 4 - 5 of each into your cargohold so you always have 1 or 2 additional crystals available.

Note: You can also reprocesses them for materials before they break to cut the costs down.
CataCourier
Gordon Industries
#9 - 2012-11-06 23:12:55 UTC
Salpad wrote:

I use T1 strippers for Mining missions, but T2 ones with T2 crystals for regular mining.


From my experiences years ago, mining missions are absolute garbage in terms of isk/hr. Especially with low ends as pricey as they are.

That said, sometimes a miner just needs some change in their routine :)
CataCourier
Gordon Industries
#10 - 2012-11-06 23:13:51 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
Note: You can also reprocesses them for materials before they break to cut the costs down.


That is OP.... why have i not been doing that? I thought you couldn't reprocess if they were damaged.........
Dave stark
#11 - 2012-11-06 23:49:25 UTC
CataCourier wrote:
Styth spiting wrote:
Note: You can also reprocesses them for materials before they break to cut the costs down.


That is OP.... why have i not been doing that? I thought you couldn't reprocess if they were damaged.........


yep you can, however it's just an added pain when swapping crystals
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#12 - 2012-11-07 02:31:42 UTC
I drink under the influence of mining, so crystals tech2 are not worth it tech 1 since too fish to drunk and I don't screw up want to bother.

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Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-11-07 02:48:35 UTC
CataCourier wrote:
Salpad wrote:

I use T1 strippers for Mining missions, but T2 ones with T2 crystals for regular mining.


From my experiences years ago, mining missions are absolute garbage in terms of isk/hr. Especially with low ends as pricey as they are.

That said, sometimes a miner just needs some change in their routine :)


They are if you are doing them solo yeah the payout isn't that great, but there are also very little risks, hell gas and IIRC ice missions don't even spawn rats.

Mining missions really open up though if you do them with an Orca + 3 miners (skilled and setup for Ice, gas and ore) you can burn through each L4 mining mission in like 5 minutes, which is the fastest way to grind standings that I know of (that doesn't involve leaving hs).
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#14 - 2012-11-08 07:43:18 UTC
CataCourier wrote:
Salpad wrote:

I use T1 strippers for Mining missions, but T2 ones with T2 crystals for regular mining.


From my experiences years ago, mining missions are absolute garbage in terms of isk/hr. Especially with low ends as pricey as they are.

That said, sometimes a miner just needs some change in their routine :)


I do them to get standing. I'd never recommend mining missions as a way to directly earn ISK.
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#15 - 2012-11-08 14:58:57 UTC
Aye . Level four mining missions are good for getting storyline missions and the LP isn't bad either. Smile
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#16 - 2012-11-08 15:55:25 UTC
CataCourier wrote:
Salpad wrote:

I use T1 strippers for Mining missions, but T2 ones with T2 crystals for regular mining.


From my experiences years ago, mining missions are absolute garbage in terms of isk/hr. Especially with low ends as pricey as they are.

That said, sometimes a miner just needs some change in their routine :)

Mining missions are very low isk/hour, but if you need standings they give as much loyalty points and standings as most level 4 security missions with a much faster completion time. I have also found running level 4 mining missions always grants me a security storyline, while running security missions usually gives me materials for war distribution storyline. But that could be just the area I mission in.

The point is from my experience, level 4 mining missions is the fastest way to up your standings aside for the COSMOS missions. But I agree if you are doing it for isk/hr normal mining is much much better.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#17 - 2012-11-08 16:42:22 UTC
Celgar Thurn wrote:
Aye . Level four mining missions are good for getting storyline missions and the LP isn't bad either. Smile


I just do level 3s for now, because they're ore-only. And also I've done close to 150 level 3s nw and never once been asked to mine in any system other than the one my agent is in.

Level 4s may involve gas harvesting, or ice mining. And I'm not set up for that yet.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#18 - 2012-11-08 16:43:28 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:

Mining missions are very low isk/hour, but if you need standings they give as much loyalty points and standings as most level 4 security missions with a much faster completion time. I have also found running level 4 mining missions always grants me a security storyline, while running security missions usually gives me materials for war distribution storyline. But that could be just the area I mission in.

The point is from my experience, level 4 mining missions is the fastest way to up your standings aside for the COSMOS missions. But I agree if you are doing it for isk/hr normal mining is much much better.


I frequently get Materials for War Prep as the Storyline after a string of level 3 mining missions. Or sometimes combat. IIRC I also got a courier or two, very low-volume items.
Infinite Force
#19 - 2012-11-08 19:46:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinite Force
Salpad wrote:
Celgar Thurn wrote:
Aye . Level four mining missions are good for getting storyline missions and the LP isn't bad either. Smile


I just do level 3s for now, because they're ore-only. And also I've done close to 150 level 3s nw and never once been asked to mine in any system other than the one my agent is in.

Level 4s may involve gas harvesting, or ice mining. And I'm not set up for that yet.

I've run a few lvl 4 Mining missions for standing and yes, you will harvest Gas & Ice.

It's very easy to do.

Edit: Yes, mining missions do spawn rats, usually frigs. I've always ignored them if they spawned before I was done.

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