EVE General Discussion

Pfft..

Man I logged into my main and saw I had over 700,000. I felt good.

Then I went to the Alliance Recruitment section...people with 70 MILLION skillpoints are looking for corporations...

WHAT????

How do you even get past 5 mill??? I have a fair amount of critical core skills to 3-4....and I'm still below 1 mill.

so two questions:

1) At what point would I be somewhat useful to an Alliance and

2) How do these people get such high numbers??

Right now I'm using EVEMON to train towards a Manticore. I want to be a Bomber, so any folks who have bombing exp can also chime in any advice you have (good sources for info, tips,, etc).

I got past 100 mill a few months ago.

I felt p special; I could clearly remember a few years ago when wotsisname got past 100 mill and made a thread about it and everyone was like "wow man, grats."

So I figured I'd make my own post.

Then I went to eveboard, had a little cry and moved on. vOv

You owe me a keyboard.

A few pilots already have over 200mil skill points.
Myself I have over 170mil.

http://eveboard.com/
http://eveboard.com/pilot/valrandir

How? With enough time and dedication.

If you train optimally you could make about 24mil skill point per year.
If not, you will make much less. Per year.

Having a lot of SP just means you've been playing the game for a while, nothing more or less. If you choose to hang around you too will have tens of millions, assuming that you always have some skill in training.

As for usefulness, your attitude and ability to listen and learn are far more important than the amount of SP you have. A week old character who can pilot a frigate can be useful in many situations. Just be sure to get into a group that values and encourages new pilots and you'll be golden.

1) Whenever you can fly a logi ship on fleets. With t1 logi becoming useful on December 4th, this will be sooner then ever. Everything else is just to do anything else you want to do.

2) playing the game for a long time, probably having implants

You can be useful with very few skillpoints, even a new player in a tackling frigate can be helpful in a fight where you are the fast tackler amongst the heavy hitters that take longer to lock or indeed to move. Fleet compositions require a variety of roles and even at low skill levels you can be of use. While you might be useless flying a battleship, you are of great assistance in a frigate.

Smaller ships need less skill point investment.

Some pilots may well have 80m sp and up but unless they are flying a titan, dread or capital they are hardly using these skillpoints to their max at any time. To absolutely max out a titan in terms of skills will take a ridiculous time. To max out a single frigate if you specialise will require about 25m skillpoints. Having said that, most ships hitt their peak efficiency with the requisite level 5 skills and then level 4 skills thereafter.

As you will no doubt notice, level 1 in a skill takes far less time to train than level 2, level 3 and so on. For most people, level 4 in a skill is enough although there are certain skills that are important to train to 5. EVEN THEN, for the amount of time invested in training a level 5 skill, you could have trained up a multitude of other skills up to about level 3 and have been far more effective.

As a newcomer the most important thing to do is train up core skills that will make you more effective across the board rather than to reach a high skill point level.

Furthermore, anyone telling you you are useless at pvp until you have a certain level of skillpoints is probably not worth listening to. As others have said, if you can scram and fly a frig, you are useful... developing core skills BUT ALSO LEARNING HOW TO ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME THROUGH FLYING IN GANGS AND READING GUIDES / INFO AND GAINING IN GAME EXPERIENCE help far far more.

Building core skills helps you out overall. After a certain point, skillpoints simply mean you have a variety of ships at your disposal but if you don't actually get out there and have a go at what the game has to offer then you won't actually enjoy the game.

As time goes on, skill points become less critical. Of course you want to fly those shiny tech II ships but in reality, in PVP, it's often more fun, or more viable, or more realistic to simply fly tech I and save money and pew pew more.

When I started I held out for Arazu's and Ishtars before I would feel ready for PVP. Once I actually started to PVP I realised this was a bit silly.

Overall. Take advice from people but dont let them say you are "doing it wrong" if its something you enjoy. Get involved and dont worry about losing ships, but fly what you can afford to lose.

EDIT: If you want to know how devastating you can be in a short space of time, you can train up a smartbombing battleship in a stupendously short space of time. The funny thing about that is if you want to then rat up your sec to atone for your activities in said ship afterwards, its actually a longer train to be able to rat your sec up efficiently afterwards, [im drunk and this edit bit will probably make no sense].

My alts hit 1 mil just from training Cybernetics V.

To train all the skills you probably need more than 12 years of constant skill training. Just think of how many SP that is.
Now on a second note, don't go straight for Stealth bombers. While they can be fun they're situational and not used that much. Better to train for more "mainstream" ships (frigates, cruisers, battlecruisers & battleships) first and then go into the specialized goodies.

That was good for a laugh, thank you.

Time, and training is all it is. The more time you spend playing, managing your skill queue, training Cybernetics and popping in implants, planning your attribute remaps and skills to train with those remaps, the more SP you'll have.

edit: For effectiveness, I originally trained skills to 3 and 4 depending on what I considered their value to be, but skipped level 5 training in all but what I considered the most important skills, such as Engineering, Electronics, and Weapon upgrades.

This helps you to push your overall effectiveness up within a short period of time, but usually means you are also cross-training a lot of skills which can slow you down. Fortunately, most skills to 3-4 don't require a lot of time, so the impact on them is relatively minor. You see the primary impact when you train them from 4-5, and this is where you usually want to train your skills within your Remap.

IIRC, you have 2 Remaps available when you start now, and you can do this initial training without using one of them, unless you happen to have a primary focus and don't mind burning a Remap right away. If you don't yet know exactly what you'll be training for the next few months, then hold those Remaps for a few weeks at least.

They're once a year, so you'll generally want to use one for a short term, 2-3 month training plan, then the next for the following years training regimen. That doesn't mean you can't pop cross-training skills in when you're doing it, but they'll be less effective for alternate mapping plans.

2-3 weeks cross-training, 2-3 months focused support training, 1 year primary training. Usually Cybernetics 5 can get slotted in that 2-3 month focused support training if it's Intelligence + Memory based. Cybernetics 4 is all you really need for a while though, unless you happen to have a quick income growth and think you'll be able to afford level 5 implants.

If you do that, consider Infomorph psychology in your training plan and get a Jump Clone or 2 through Estel Arador Corp Services in game.

Hopefully that's not too much information. Probably it is, if you are at all unfamiliar with what I am talking about, but checking out that Corp in game should at least help to make Jump Clones a little more self explanatory.