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space trucker looking for work

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Esruc 'Sadim
Lazaretto
#1 - 2012-11-04 16:05:55 UTC
is it possible to make a proffit by joining a mining op just to haul ore from field to station or does every one and their mother already have an alt account for this?

to be honest, this guy is my alt account and only skilled in indy hauling. his nav skills are nearly maxed and his mammoth is fast and nimble. Is there any need out there for a position like this in a mining op? A quick skim of the forums seems to indicate that most people use thier orca for this position and do it while multi-boxing...then again that could just be the pro miners.

Really, I'm just lookiing for some advice on how to move forward. Courier contracts is always an option but the proffitability seems low. Is there better proffit in joining a mining corp as a short trip ore hauler?

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Morikar
#2 - 2012-11-04 16:35:24 UTC
You could try joining a mining corp, but adds are they have a bunch of haulers and orcas like you said.

What you could do is look for systems that have a lot of mining activity and just advertise in local that you will buy all their ore while they are mining at 90% of the market value. I've seen some people do this and it seems to work.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#3 - 2012-11-04 18:04:09 UTC
Put up buy orders in areas away from hubs.

When enough fire go pick up the goods and bring them into a hub and sell on sell orders.

You'll make your own buisness this way.

Also join a corporation that can use your services.
Some corporations need a lot of hauling done as they live far from hubs.
Get your T2 ships and you can even work with the low sec groups.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#4 - 2012-11-05 04:03:24 UTC
Morikar wrote:
You could try joining a mining corp, but adds are they have a bunch of haulers and orcas like you said.

What you could do is look for systems that have a lot of mining activity and just advertise in local that you will buy all their ore while they are mining at 90% of the market value. I've seen some people do this and it seems to work.


This sounds like a really good idea. It's just important for the OP to be up to speed with regards to ore prices.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-11-05 11:04:31 UTC
Esruc 'Sadim wrote:
Really, I'm just lookiing for some advice on how to move forward. Courier contracts is always an option but the proffitability seems low. Is there better proffit in joining a mining corp as a short trip ore hauler?


Hauling ore doesn't really require a lot of specialised skills, so don't expect too much. The idea of buying up ores in mining systems and selling it in market hubs looks more promising. More importantly, you can use that idea as a starting point that can be expanded later on. Get refining skills to sell the mienrals instead. Get market skills so the taxes don't eat all your profit. Once you have refining skills, you can look into other things to buy as well - ores are not the only things that can be refined for a profit...

I'd say the hauling itself isn't really that profitable, but if you use it for some clever "buy low sell high" marketeering, you could be going somewhere.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.

Roman Fuego
Brotherhood of Bankrupt Bastards
#6 - 2012-11-05 13:03:13 UTC
If you can guarantee someone a fast response time for hauling I'll bet you'd make a lot of money. Hauling services like Red Frog can take as long as 3 days (though they typically do not). If you can find an indy that requires guaranteed fast delivery (and there is a lot of money in that) then you can probably make quite a bit hauling.

You're never going to get "rich" at hauling though. You don't see many truck drivers with a yacht in RL and the reason is that hauling just isn't worth that much.
Reticle
Sight Picture
#7 - 2012-11-05 19:03:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Reticle
Roman Fuego wrote:
If you can guarantee someone a fast response time for hauling I'll bet you'd make a lot of money. Hauling services like Red Frog can take as long as 3 days (though they typically do not). If you can find an indy that requires guaranteed fast delivery (and there is a lot of money in that) then you can probably make quite a bit hauling.

You're never going to get "rich" at hauling though. You don't see many truck drivers with a yacht in RL and the reason is that hauling just isn't worth that much.

This is a recipe for burnout. If you offer express services, you can fully expect every **** in EVE to attempt to monopolize your time and pester you non-stop.

FYI-- truckers in the US who own their own rig typically make in the 150k to 250k range. There is plenty of money to be made. Why do you think those Ice Road Trucker guys keep going back?
Frost Saber
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-11-05 19:45:15 UTC
Reticle wrote:
FYI-- truckers in the US who own their own rig typically make in the 150k to 250k range. There is plenty of money to be made. Why do you think those Ice Road Trucker guys keep going back?


After gas, taxes, insurance, tolls, maintenance and the "mortgage" they're lucky to be pushing 30k. Owner or not truckers don't make a lot of money.
Lavitakus Bromier
WTF Bunnies
#9 - 2012-11-05 20:56:16 UTC
Frost Saber wrote:
Reticle wrote:
FYI-- truckers in the US who own their own rig typically make in the 150k to 250k range. There is plenty of money to be made. Why do you think those Ice Road Trucker guys keep going back?


After gas, taxes, insurance, tolls, maintenance and the "mortgage" they're lucky to be pushing 30k. Owner or not truckers don't make a lot of money.


Your both wrong...and kinda right.
And if you talking about the ice road truckers TV show. That ***** all fake. Trust me.

I got plenty of family members in the trucking businesses. And there doing pretty dam good. But they ain't driving a Ferrari.
Reticle
Sight Picture
#10 - 2012-11-05 21:30:08 UTC
Lavitakus Bromier wrote:
Frost Saber wrote:
Reticle wrote:
FYI-- truckers in the US who own their own rig typically make in the 150k to 250k range. There is plenty of money to be made. Why do you think those Ice Road Trucker guys keep going back?


After gas, taxes, insurance, tolls, maintenance and the "mortgage" they're lucky to be pushing 30k. Owner or not truckers don't make a lot of money.


Your both wrong...and kinda right.
And if you talking about the ice road truckers TV show. That ***** all fake. Trust me.

I got plenty of family members in the trucking businesses. And there doing pretty dam good. But they ain't driving a Ferrari.

No ferraris but my wife's brother and his wife drive a rig and make a pretty damn good living. It took them a while to get to that point though. It also helps to have more than just the basic certifications. They got a huge boost from him doing contract truck driving during the first part of the Iraq war and he was able to come back and buy his setup and a house with almost no loan help (long since paid off now).

Back to EVE!
Esruc 'Sadim
Lazaretto
#11 - 2012-11-05 21:49:53 UTC
That turned into an interesting conversation. I am an rl trucker and I dont do too bad. I dont drive a Ferrari but then again they look much better than they handle (from what I'm told) so I dont really want one. I'm not trying to get space rich on hauling...that sounds like way more work then I'm going for in a game. I just was wondering if any one had experience in a mining corp (or otherwise) as a dedicated corp hauler and how it compared to public contract hauling. I obviously didn't word it very well...cough*beer*cough...but I got some good answers anyway.

Thanks,
esruC

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Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-11-05 21:54:29 UTC
Esruc 'Sadim wrote:
is it possible to make a proffit by joining a mining op just to haul ore from field to station or does every one and their mother already have an alt account for this?


You could always have this pilot (the Orca pilot) join an active indy corp / alliance and get involved in their mining ops. Basically you would get a share of the profit, which can be good isk, it just depends on what your idea of good is. It also depends on how frequently they run the ops, if they don't all ready have Orca pilots (1 for boosting, 1 for hauling).

You're not really going to be able to work out very many deals with total strangers. Think about it. There is no guarantee some random stranger who hauls out your ores will give them back. If you were mining would you expect some random stranger who has been hauling ore for you the last 5 hours? The answer should be no.

It's also pretty difficult to befriend random miners in a system you frequent. I have several systems I used pretty frequently and I have never communicated with any of the locals to be on some degree of good terms. Yeah you get to know who are locals that frequent a system, but thats for security reasons.

And finally if you were to train up the Orca pilot for perfect boosts + a mindlink implant there would be a much higher demand for your service. But again, you wont find much outside of working with people you know (corps/alliance/friends).
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#13 - 2012-11-05 22:12:09 UTC
Beckie DeLey wrote:
Hauling ore doesn't really require a lot of specialised skills, so don't expect too much. The idea of buying up ores in mining systems and selling it in market hubs looks more promising. More importantly, you can use that idea as a starting point that can be expanded later on. Get refining skills to sell the mienrals instead. Get market skills so the taxes don't eat all your profit. Once you have refining skills, you can look into other things to buy as well - ores are not the only things that can be refined for a profit...


Also work on standings. Those help both with refining, and with sales tax. To earn standings with an NPC corp, you usually run missions for them. Distribution agents may serve the OP best, but you get faster standing gain if you train certain skillz in the Social category. Also Storyline missions sometimes involve combat (PVE) so that's also a necessary skill in order to earn standing (although you can perhaps pay someone to run combat Storyline missions for you).