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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-11-04 12:49:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Here's something I've been thinking about running low sec courier contracts...

I've never set one up myself, and have no reason to, but is it possible to create a courier contract on a really cheap item with a high collateral, watch for whoever accepts the contract and then gank them when they undock with the package to claim the collateral for yourself??

PiratePirate

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#2 - 2012-11-04 12:52:45 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Here's something I've been thinking about running low sec courier contracts...

I've never set one up myself, and have no reason to, but is it possible to create a courier contract on a really cheap item with a high collateral, watch for whoever accepts the contract and then gank them when they undock with the package to claim the collateral for yourself??

PiratePirate


Its possible, but most people have the sense not to accept a contract with a collateral significantly of a significantly higher value than the actual item itself.

Bobb
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-11-04 12:54:52 UTC
Most people would, yes, but I didn't realise there was a way to see the item or the value of it before you actually accepted a contract and picked it up.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2012-11-04 12:56:10 UTC
Yeah, some people do this. I'm not sure how they know exactly which ship they need to gank or when to expect it though. Maybe they just keep refreshing the contract until someone takes it.

Oh god.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-11-04 12:58:38 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Yeah, some people do this. I'm not sure how they know exactly which ship they need to gank or when to expect it though. Maybe they just keep refreshing the contract until someone takes it.


That's what I'm trying to find out - when you take a contract, you can see on the contract itself which player has issued it, but can the issuer see which player takes the contract and then just wait and watch local for them to come by, then watch station guests to see when they dock up, undock and just wait for them outside with a scram?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Eru GoEller
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-11-04 13:00:49 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Here's something I've been thinking about running low sec courier contracts...

I've never set one up myself, and have no reason to, but is it possible to create a courier contract on a really cheap item with a high collateral, watch for whoever accepts the contract and then gank them when they undock with the package to claim the collateral for yourself??

PiratePirate


Be even more creative, take a look at Incursion mechanics versus low/null and figure out how you can get the collateral without the need of a gank.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-11-04 13:03:14 UTC
I haven't had any experience with incursion yet. I'm still a little green in New Eden, I'm afraid, and haven't been confident enough to tackle an incursion just yet.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#8 - 2012-11-04 13:04:56 UTC
I used to set up low sec courier contracts for the purposes of moving mins. I'd set collateral on the high side, but would also pay above average for completion. I wasn't trying to gank anyone, but it was very profitable when they failed. For some reason it also made me happy.

No good deed goes unpunished
Eru GoEller
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-11-04 13:09:45 UTC
Maxpie wrote:
I used to set up low sec courier contracts for the purposes of moving mins. I'd set collateral on the high side, but would also pay above average for completion. I wasn't trying to gank anyone, but it was very profitable when they failed. For some reason it also made me happy.

Put Incursion mechanic in play with this and you can't go wrong:-)

To: Remiel Pollard , check what happens during an Incursion to system afflicted.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-11-04 13:58:13 UTC
Eru GoEller wrote:
Maxpie wrote:
I used to set up low sec courier contracts for the purposes of moving mins. I'd set collateral on the high side, but would also pay above average for completion. I wasn't trying to gank anyone, but it was very profitable when they failed. For some reason it also made me happy.

Put Incursion mechanic in play with this and you can't go wrong:-)

To: Remiel Pollard , check what happens during an Incursion to system afflicted.


I'll take a look at some point, see if I can figure out what you're talking about.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-11-05 11:49:25 UTC
Let's say i have spent the last three years having regional buyorders for cheap crap.
This means i can make literally hundreds of courier contracts with crap,
with collateral in the hundreds of millions per contract ...

Damn, i need to raise my skills.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#12 - 2012-11-05 11:52:02 UTC
Accept Contract, Contract Contract to Alt, Undock....

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-11-05 12:03:47 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
Accept Contract, Contract Contract to Alt, Undock....


an alt kill is still a kill

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#14 - 2012-11-05 12:14:58 UTC
The majority of contracts in jita local are these low sec ones.

The contract window says if the route will take you through low sec/null sec etc. So it is a bit more obvious and it'd take someone who is either greedy or stupid to read through them to fall for it. Fortunately, eve has plenty of both.

Anyway, if you persist in doing it, use an item over 1000m3 at least. That way they will use an industrial and not a cloak ship. and keep the collateral below 100 mil
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#15 - 2012-11-05 12:43:11 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Alice Saki wrote:
Accept Contract, Contract Contract to Alt, Undock....


an alt kill is still a kill



Lol?

I think you missed the point....

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-11-05 12:44:45 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Alice Saki wrote:
Accept Contract, Contract Contract to Alt, Undock....


an alt kill is still a kill



Lol?

I think you missed the point....


Maybe... what was it?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lutin Ballista
Ballista Investment Corp
#17 - 2012-11-05 12:54:43 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Alice Saki wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Alice Saki wrote:
Accept Contract, Contract Contract to Alt, Undock....


an alt kill is still a kill



Lol?

I think you missed the point....


Maybe... what was it?


I'll try make it easier for you...

How do you know who the alt is to shoot them? You would still be looking for the original person who completed the contract. Red Frog Freight use this approach for example. You never know who is actually flying your stuff.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-11-05 12:58:31 UTC
Lutin Ballista wrote:

I'll try make it easier for you...

How do you know who the alt is to shoot them? You would still be looking for the original person who completed the contract. Red Frog Freight use this approach for example. You never know who is actually flying your stuff.


Ah! I see. Yes, I do need things made easier for me, sometimes. I direct explanation like this helps, thanks - I'm autistic, and it's hard to understand "thought mapping" when I'm not on the same train of thought.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104