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New player, fierce PvPer looking for advice.

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Belisario Lionheart
Pro Synergy
#1 - 2012-11-03 05:17:43 UTC
Hello everyone!

I have been provided with a trial account and Im going to start playing EVE for real tomorrow. I have quickly logged in to check the interface and have put some skills to train. I have some newbie questions and would love some advice:

1. Is it possible to pvp from day 1, and make a living off that? I have read that EVE has a rather fierce death penalty, if I kill someone I am entitled to their stuff?

2. How effective is a new player for already established factions (guilds, corps.. w/e you call it) to accept them, and maybe even provide training and participation on large scales fights?

3. What kind of 'roles' there are? I have read plenty of information and I think EVE warfare tactics are quite expansive and complicated.. I would like to know what are the general combat positions avid pvpers such myself can play as.

I think this sums up some of my doubts, the person that provided the trial code will gift me 500mil ISK when I subscribe so I think I will be able to afford some quite good modules, books and clones right away (I still dont understand how those work). My main concerns are about how to make a living off pvp and the dangers involved - are there many gankers and people willing to pick up on newbie pvpers for a profit or fun?

Thank you all in advance and I hope to see you in-game soon!

Cheers,
Bel
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#2 - 2012-11-03 05:59:59 UTC
1) It is possible, but very difficult. I would advise getting to learn the UI and the general way things work for the first week or so, get to learn ship roles and basic mechanics as well. As for the death penalty, when you die you lose your ship and everything on it. Some or all modules may be lost, and what is left can be scavenged by your killers or any passers by.

2) There are several established corporations and alliances that specialize in training and equipping new pilots. Look into EVE University or the Red vs. Blue program. Your ability to help a fleet will be limited early in your career but with the right training and a willingness to take risks (you will die a lot at first) you can learn a lot and contribute more and more.

3) I can't really list all the roles there are, too many exist P The role a newbie will have be most familiar with is the role of 'tackler.' A tackler flies a small and fast ship that arrives slightly ahead of a fleet and locks down targets and keeps them from fleeing.

Another piece of advice that a lot of new players need to know; don't fly a bigger class of ship as soon as you are trained for/can afford one. It's best to learn in the small and inexpensive stuff. Don't spend that 500mil in one place!
Aineko Macx
#3 - 2012-11-03 06:44:39 UTC
What Berendas said.

Belisario Lionheart wrote:
My main concerns are about how to make a living off pvp and the dangers involved

Even most veterans have to pursue other isk making activities to fund their pvp. This shouldn't discourage you from trying pvp early on. A week old character in a dirt cheap ship can make a difference in a battle. With 500mil to begin with you could stretch that for quite a bit.
That being said, starting out with so much isk spoils some of the fun of discovering a part of the game...
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-11-03 07:40:04 UTC
Belisario Lionheart wrote:
Hello everyone!

I have been provided with a trial account and Im going to start playing EVE for real tomorrow. I have quickly logged in to check the interface and have put some skills to train. I have some newbie questions and would love some advice:

1. Is it possible to pvp from day 1, and make a living off that? I have read that EVE has a rather fierce death penalty, if I kill someone I am entitled to their stuff?

2. How effective is a new player for already established factions (guilds, corps.. w/e you call it) to accept them, and maybe even provide training and participation on large scales fights?

3. What kind of 'roles' there are? I have read plenty of information and I think EVE warfare tactics are quite expansive and complicated.. I would like to know what are the general combat positions avid pvpers such myself can play as.

I think this sums up some of my doubts, the person that provided the trial code will gift me 500mil ISK when I subscribe so I think I will be able to afford some quite good modules, books and clones right away (I still dont understand how those work). My main concerns are about how to make a living off pvp and the dangers involved - are there many gankers and people willing to pick up on newbie pvpers for a profit or fun?

Thank you all in advance and I hope to see you in-game soon!

Cheers,
Bel


1.) Yes it's possible to PvP from day 1, but you will be very very limited in the fights you can win. To make a living out of it, I doubt. This is cause of the drop mechanics of modules, which is totally random, so even after 5 years you still can't garantuee you will make a monthly profit from just PvP.

How ever, after just looking at the UI you will know about 0.000001% of what you want to know to be succesful, I suggest to learn the basic mechanics, the UI and the type of ships first before diving into hardcore PvP, it will make you more the predator and less the prey if you know what you are doing.

2.) 1 word: Hero-tackle. And there are plenty of corporations that PvP that also teach new players in the way of the sword (or laser, or hybrids, or projectiles or missiles).

3.) Roles (and I might miss some):

* DPS grunt
* FC
* Target caller (combined with other role)
* Logistics
* Tackle
* E-war
* Scout

4.) Clones. There are 2 different ones, jump clones and medical clones.

Jump clones: google the EVE wiki, more adv to explain and won't waste a lot of space in this post on it.

Medical clones: Your "save point". So when your ship gets blown up (and it will) you will eject from it in a pod (kind of life boat). When that too is destroyed you will wake up in the location of your medical clone. Medical clones have a size, this means they can hold up to a certain amount of skillpoints (900.000 SP is the basic clone).

If you are killed when your actual SP < clone SP => No problem, update your clone again (everytime you get podded your clone will drop down to the basic one and needs updating).

If you are killed when your actual SP > clone SP => You will loose some SP in the highest tier skill you trained. And need to update your clone (properly this time).

5.) People (at least for 95% of the times) will gank others for profit. That last 5% will do it for the tears. Neither is real PvP, go into low-sec, null-sec, W-space, war-decs or FW and there you will find real PvP.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-11-03 07:42:53 UTC
Aineko Macx wrote:
What Berendas said.

Belisario Lionheart wrote:
My main concerns are about how to make a living off pvp and the dangers involved

Even most veterans have to pursue other isk making activities to fund their pvp. This shouldn't discourage you from trying pvp early on. A week old character in a dirt cheap ship can make a difference in a battle. With 500mil to begin with you could stretch that for quite a bit.
That being said, starting out with so much isk spoils some of the fun of discovering a part of the game...



^ That what I enhanced.

I really think people shouldn't give new players 500 mil.

They will waste it on ships they shouldn't yet with their skills and burn through it.

Then they start getting bored / complain about how hard it is to make money cause they never had to work for it. This means that they lost a BC yet only have level 1 mission access and can't pay it back easily.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-11-03 09:23:38 UTC
Aineko Macx wrote:
That being said, starting out with so much isk spoils some of the fun of discovering a part of the game...


Yes, half of the fun is to build your own source of income progressively (and there are many way to do so, and even more with a bit of creativity). That way the ships taste even better Blink
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#7 - 2012-11-03 09:44:26 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
They will waste it on ships they shouldn't yet with their skills and burn through it.


Get them used to the high-spending lifestyle, cater to their needs, profit!
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#8 - 2012-11-03 10:06:38 UTC
Have a look at this, I made this a short while back for another corp I was with on a different character. Many of them were fairly new to PVP and were just "clowning around", much to the FC's (and my) chagrin :P

It's certainly not complete, i keep adding to it, but it might be helpful to you.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#9 - 2012-11-03 10:57:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen160812
For a quick start load the test servers and learn there for free. A day or two in the combat systems will equal weeks or maybe months of actual trigger time on Tranq.

Set up the basics like overview, insta-warps from your home stations, finding where a good FW spot is, figuring out d-scan...etc. Just a few days in you'll be able to make money where pvp happens (missions in low sec, faction war, anomalies and faction belt rat drops)


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6352&find=unread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duKE_PKaQIU

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Overview_Guide
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-11-03 11:34:32 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Have a look at this, I made this a short while back for another corp I was with on a different character. Many of them were fairly new to PVP and were just "clowning around", much to the FC's (and my) chagrin :P

It's certainly not complete, i keep adding to it, but it might be helpful to you.


+1 for the nice new PvP player friendly guide explaining a lot in a sense that even a chimp can understand it.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Belisario Lionheart
Pro Synergy
#11 - 2012-11-03 14:31:50 UTC
I would like to really thank everyone, all the posts have been helpful and I will be following the tips and guides provided! I will look into joining the training corporation, one thing I hate is to play solo. I hope EVE has more team oriented gameplay than solo (and I assume it does, since it must be easy to be ganked when going solo).

Furthermore, I am truly loving the community. I was chatting on the rookie channel and told I got the expensive frigate I got from the mission blown up (I learned later I was suppose to jump back into the crap frigate) and then two people promptly sent me some ISK to buy another. Really great community, I do miss this on MMOs.
fsd Orlenard
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-11-03 14:41:48 UTC
Belisario Lionheart wrote:
Hello everyone!

I have been provided with a trial account and Im going to start playing EVE for real tomorrow. I have quickly logged in to check the interface and have put some skills to train. I have some newbie questions and would love some advice:

1. Is it possible to pvp from day 1, and make a living off that? I have read that EVE has a rather fierce death penalty, if I kill someone I am entitled to their stuff?

2. How effective is a new player for already established factions (guilds, corps.. w/e you call it) to accept them, and maybe even provide training and participation on large scales fights?

3. What kind of 'roles' there are? I have read plenty of information and I think EVE warfare tactics are quite expansive and complicated.. I would like to know what are the general combat positions avid pvpers such myself can play as.

I think this sums up some of my doubts, the person that provided the trial code will gift me 500mil ISK when I subscribe so I think I will be able to afford some quite good modules, books and clones right away (I still dont understand how those work). My main concerns are about how to make a living off pvp and the dangers involved - are there many gankers and people willing to pick up on newbie pvpers for a profit or fun?

Thank you all in advance and I hope to see you in-game soon!

Cheers,
Bel


I would suggest you train your pve skills first, get to a wormhole and farm money for few months. After that buy your self a brand new character from character bazaar. If you don't want a new pilot, you can just join some corp and learn all the stuff and wait for 6 months to be pvp ready.
Name Family Name
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-11-03 15:29:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Name Family Name
fsd Orlenard wrote:


I would suggest you train your pve skills first, get to a wormhole and farm money for few months. After that buy your self a brand new character from character bazaar. If you don't want a new pilot, you can just join some corp and learn all the stuff and wait for 6 months to be pvp ready.



This advice is wrong on so many levels, it must be trolling.

@OP: Eve is much more about the individual persons skill than the skills you train ingame. If you know some basic mechanics, can use the directional scanner (no skilltraining required) and have a microphone, you can be a valuable Scout from the get-go.

Add a couple of minutes of training and you can tackle on top of that.

Yes - you will die a lot at first, but provided you find a decent enough corp, they will replace your ships.

Now finding a decent corp is the tough bit as a young player.
Roughly 95% are terrible, full of inactive and incomepetent players and their alts. 4% are decent but wont accept new players, are completely paranoid, full off bittervets or require you to come from an OOG community and the remaining 1% is what you're looking for.

Good luck.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-11-03 15:33:47 UTC
fsd Orlenard wrote:
Belisario Lionheart wrote:
Hello everyone!

I have been provided with a trial account and Im going to start playing EVE for real tomorrow. I have quickly logged in to check the interface and have put some skills to train. I have some newbie questions and would love some advice:

1. Is it possible to pvp from day 1, and make a living off that? I have read that EVE has a rather fierce death penalty, if I kill someone I am entitled to their stuff?

2. How effective is a new player for already established factions (guilds, corps.. w/e you call it) to accept them, and maybe even provide training and participation on large scales fights?

3. What kind of 'roles' there are? I have read plenty of information and I think EVE warfare tactics are quite expansive and complicated.. I would like to know what are the general combat positions avid pvpers such myself can play as.

I think this sums up some of my doubts, the person that provided the trial code will gift me 500mil ISK when I subscribe so I think I will be able to afford some quite good modules, books and clones right away (I still dont understand how those work). My main concerns are about how to make a living off pvp and the dangers involved - are there many gankers and people willing to pick up on newbie pvpers for a profit or fun?

Thank you all in advance and I hope to see you in-game soon!

Cheers,
Bel


I would suggest you train your pve skills first, get to a wormhole and farm money for few months. After that buy your self a brand new character from character bazaar. If you don't want a new pilot, you can just join some corp and learn all the stuff and wait for 6 months to be pvp ready.


Lol, this advice comming from someone who wants a solo PvP SB and then complains someone is killing him over and over.

aka, don't listen. You don't need a character bought from the bazaar, you don't need to wait 6 months. It's more about attitude and willing to learn stuff as it is about in game SP. Low SP pilots with great attitude, player skill and willing to learn will always be better then a cocky guy who won't listen to others and bought a multimillion SP toon without the skills to use it.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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eddie valvetino
Victory or Whatever
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#15 - 2012-11-03 17:06:58 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
They will waste it on ships they shouldn't yet with their skills and burn through it.


Get them used to the high-spending lifestyle, cater to their needs, profit!


do you sell crack irl?
Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-11-03 20:23:06 UTC
Two quick things:

1. Welcome to eve.
2. Thank you for shooting people in the face.

Now if your a redditer or a member of something awful forums there pvp training programs for new players is second to none, if you can survive it.

For the rest of a us folks theres stuff like Red Vs Blue which I think you might want to consider taking a look at. There all about having good fights with low over head.

When you decided your ready to up your game and head to null sec you can always consider applying to agony unleashed or our school Noir. Academy

Agony is great for making you a well rounded pvper in any environment

We focus on making you into an efficient hired killer.

I think people like Tuskers and Veto have training corps too there good corps and are old as the hills.

Noir. and Noir Academy are recruiting apply at www.noirmercs.com I Noir Academy: 60 days old must be able to fly at least one tech II frigate. I Noir. Recruits: 4:1 k/d ratio and can fly tech II cruisers.

Dradius Calvantia
Lip Shords
#17 - 2012-11-04 06:35:22 UTC
Lyric Lahnde wrote:

I think people like Tuskers and Veto have training corps too there good corps and are old as the hills.


Veto is mothballed as the Alliance founder got a job at CCP.
Johnny Twelvebore
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#18 - 2012-11-04 10:01:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnny Twelvebore
Tuskers are very much still alive and kicking, we do not have a formal training corp but do run events to encourage new players into pvp. Keep your ears open for the next one which will probably be early next year.

My advice is to fly cheap t1 frigates so your 500M will last you a long time and fly in low as much as you can, win or loose (and you will loose a lot) youll learn more in an hour in low than you will in a week in high. The first kill you get will be great, trust me..

Fly fast.

J

Bloody hell, another eve blog! http://johnnytwelvebore.wordpress.com

Count of MonteCylon
Anti-Pirate Enforcement
#19 - 2012-11-05 05:49:23 UTC
Lots of corps will take you in and teach you how to PvP, my first corp gave me 20 million and said "learn up to battlecruiser and then get back to us."

I was like, Shocked so much money, so I left the region and bought an industrial ship and started AFK mining.

I did eventually pay them back though, I felt bad to take that ISK and then leave. Lol

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. -- Ephesians 6:12

Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-11-05 12:10:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Making isk with PVP is not easy.

Sometimes you get lucky, I rely on reputation to make my isk. this can range anywhere from 0 isk a week to 2 bil a week.

You will never be as rich as indy players but it is fun living from ship to ship.

There are a couple of training corp that show the basics but you either have or you don't. If you have any questions you are more than welcome to ask me ingame.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

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