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ECM is Killing Solo PvP
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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2012-11-03 15:41:28 UTC
I like how EVE makes it easy for large gangs to operate, but I feel there is some merit to what the OP says. Perhaps there ought to be duel contracts or some arena somewhere which players can enter so that you can be guaranteed a one-on-one fight and not have to worry about the other person bringing a fleet.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#182 - 2012-11-03 16:25:02 UTC
Show me an MMO that caters to soloists and I'll show you a dead mmo.

Fly with a friend.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#183 - 2012-11-03 16:39:01 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Show me an MMO that caters to soloists and I'll show you a dead mmo.

Fly with a friend.

The issue goes way beyond just soloists. Most MMOs put limits on group sizes, but EVE doesn't. Even 5-10 people can find it difficult to win in PVP, while groups of 50 or more are usually met with little resistance. It would just be nice if there were chances for smaller groups to get in on the action. Maybe there could also be a channel or something for pick up groups, but that would still be fleet PVP and some people want to move in smaller groups. And I can't say I blame them. In a big fleet, it's harder for a new person to understand what's going on. It's easier to get experienced in combat when you have more time to see what's going on.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#184 - 2012-11-03 17:48:05 UTC
Doyey3731 wrote:
Well not that alone, but it's certainly playing it's part.

I like going out for a roam alone and losing a ship. I'm not into the whole large gang stuff, been there done that. So I like going out, knowing I'm going to die but try and get a kill or two before I do.

The last few times I have, I've been blobbed which is great and to be expected, but I can't get a shot off most of the time which is what hacks me off. A crappy T1 hull cruiser can sit many KM from me and stop me from firing a single shot. It's so dull and predictable now. There is no effective counter against it. I can put some ECCM on there, but that's about as useful as a condom machine in the Vatican, and wastes midslots so shield tanking is out of the question. I tried ECM drones last time out and put them straight on the ECM boat, but nada. Granted it was a T2 boat this time, but that shouldn't mean it's invulnerable.

So I could try a drone boat, but that leaves me with just a handful of subcaps I can fly and hope my drones pick the right target.

Maybe it's just me. I expect the ECM pilots think it's great that they can make a 300m Maelstrom die with a murmur in their crappy T1 hull.

I don't mind dying in a glorious fire with all guns blazing, but not being able to fire my guns makes me a sad Minmatar.



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Viribus
Wilderness
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#185 - 2012-11-04 04:36:25 UTC
I love all the people in here who are complete idiots that seem to think this is about getting a "fair fight"

It's about getting a fun fight

Whether ECM is OP or not (it is) is immaterial, it's a stupid, unfun mechanic that doesn't belong in the game in its current state

watch me be a scurb and get owned
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#186 - 2012-11-04 05:03:10 UTC
Waht's the deal anyway? Solo pvp is pretty much gone with crimewatch coming up unless CCP decides to bring in a new mechanic for it. (no, that's not bitterness you hear in my voice :) )

I've had 1 person use ecm during a solo pvp fight. He was 2 yrs old and I was 1. The fact that he redocked 4 times and finally fitted it told me he was a crap pvp'r and that was the only way he could win. Fair tactic. I don't respect his pvp'ing abilities and can't trust his word, but who's word can you trust?


Frankly I dont' call it idiotic if someone likes to pvp solo without ecm - I respect it a lot. It takes guts to do it and not have a repper nearby if things go south also.

But this is EVE, all things are fair.

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Doyey3731
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#187 - 2012-11-04 15:59:30 UTC
Viribus wrote:
I love all the people in here who are complete idiots that seem to think this is about getting a "fair fight"

It's about getting a fun fight

Whether ECM is OP or not (it is) is immaterial, it's a stupid, unfun mechanic that doesn't belong in the game in its current state


Exactly, as I've said a couple of times, I don't mind dying in a big ball of fire and fully expect to do so when going out solo. But there is no fun in that when I can't even lock targets. The game should be about fun. It is only fair and right that I die when jumped on by a 10 man fleet, but they get fun killing me and I try and have fun blapping one of them before I die. If I get no chance then it makes me want to stop doing that anymore which means less fights and less fun for all.
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#188 - 2012-11-04 16:17:52 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Show me an MMO that caters to soloists and I'll show you a dead mmo.



WoW?
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#189 - 2012-11-04 16:18:54 UTC
I'm pretty sure it's that second M in MMO that's killing solo pvp.
Warp Planet6
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#190 - 2012-11-04 16:59:38 UTC
Lord Ryan wrote:
ECM
HML Nerf
Cane Nerf
Off Grid Boosters
Blobs
Goons
ASB
Goons
Nano Nerf
Closed socket
Neutral Logi
Goons
Plex Price

Nothing is killing solo PVP. Those things already killed solo PVP. Good day!


No, more like this:


Dorian Wylde wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's that second M in MMO that's killing solo pvp.
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