EVE General Discussion

Hmm, why would I not live in null? eventually I want to when I've built a framework of players and people I would fly with out there. The problem is you guys out in Null have done a great job as looking like a bunch of egotistical twats leading sheep with no life that can play the game at levels normal people just can't.

I've probably described about 5% of null players, unfortunately those 5% put me off.

Nulls challenges actually draw me to it, having to deal with fools barking at me like I'm there lapdog does not.

SO what am I doing about it? I'm heading to null when I can bring a fight big enough to shut the mouthy ******* up. This may be soon, it might be in 4 years... I don't know. What I do know is I'm not playing this game to anothers rules. Theres that sandbox we all love. I may succed, I may not but in trying I may add some content to others game play.

On a side note, I'm not picking individuals out, its an impression after having read these forums since 2005, FFS I only decided ot get past the forums level of BS and actually play the game 2 years ago. That's how much of a good job these forums did on putting me off let alone going out into Null sec when I started.

Victims of your own hype you null sec dwellers are......

more chances for small alliances.
more small scale battles, and more often

high sec is not really about safety, it is about solo player / small corp, and content available anytime.
nullsec is not much. if you want more people to try null, give us ways to do that.

what has been told on sov/SC nerf and the CO may works that way.

double post

The big drop in null population happened with the anomaly nerf. I remember reading a comment by CCP that even they were surprised by how large it was.

Making -1.0 better than -0.1 was fine. Making -0.1 worse than +0.5 was a mistake.

Step one: Make all parts of 0.0 better for making ISK than the best of high sec. Do this by buffing Null, we don't want to give high sec huggers a reason to quit Eve.

Next: Those in Null need to have a reason to get more people. So:

Industry. Why have miners in null when you can get all your minerals by hauling 425mm rails from Jita?

Step two: Redo all module sizes and mineral makeup to that they are not smaller than the minerals needed to make them. This will increase the need for high ends which also makes Null mining more attractive and eliminates the need to nerf W-space mining.

Step 2a: Whatever is done with long term cloakers, local, and intel, make it so an attentive miner can get to safety. Inattentive miners get to be balls of plasma.

Step 3: Make getting and holding sov based on activity. Make it so a large alliance cannot just plop down a claim unit in each and every system. If they want it, they got to be active in it. This gives a reason to have more people in your alliance, so you can keep activity up in all your systems.

You get 120M for complexes and 150M for C5 or C6 WHs per hour. You can get a static and close the link, so your supply is limitless.

What do you need null sec for exactly? Moons? To have made an outpost?

I like how years after Goonswarm proved this to be completely untrue and after TEST demonstrated it again relatively recently people still think that SP matters.

This here, I endorse this. Other people have made some really good points as well, among them the ability to do what you want when you want. Don't get me wrong, CTAs are a good way to promote player cohesion and a sense of doing something to protect your turf and I support the need for them. But mandatory participation turns a game into work after awhile.

The big power bloc issue is something that makes null less attractive to me. Either you are part of one and get caught between the gears of the machine until you somehow claw your way up the ranks, or you are against one, and possibly both cannon fodder and/or homeless after they roll through. Either option just doesn't appeal to me really and is probably the main impediment to my active search for a null sec home. The best option I can even think of is null that can't be taken with sovereignty.

I'm sure null can be a fun place with the right people, but until that presents itself, I'm just going to stay put for the time being.

All of that sounds more exciting than:

-get level 4 mission from agent
-run level 4 mission
-repeat

TL;DR - If you really wanted to get me into null you'd need to provide a mechanic that allows me to make a meaningful contribution to my corp/alliance in the hour or two of playtime I have each day.

I'm another who re-subbed my accounts following Hilmar's mea culpa. I've been absent for about 10-11 months.

I have spent some time in null previously as a part of a couple of different groups and didn't really care for it due to a lot of reasons that have already been mentioned in this thread - but I have one issue which I feel hasn't been raised that bugged me about 0.0 - namely that with limited playtime I didn't feel like I could really contribute anything to a group.

The only thing that would get me out to null would be some kind of provision or mechanic change that allowed for "small holders." I've gotten to that point in my life where I can only spend an hour or two a day playing and honestly it doesn't make sense for me or for a corp/alliance for me to be part of what goes on in 0.0 right now. I can't meaningfully contribute to territorial warfare as a combat pilot because I'm just not logged in enough and I agree with the consensus that logistics/manufacturing is broken - therefore I couldn't contribute in a logistical capacity either.

Without the ability to contribute to and hopefully experience some the emergent/sandbox gameplay CCP continues to hype, the isk is kind of meaningless to me.

On the brighter side, I can get everything I want from the game out of WH play. Re-subbed with a couple of buddies and we've just been cruising around WH space with our alts in tow - couple of cloaky haulers, scout, couple of PVE ships and a couple of PVP ships - and having a blast. We don't even put down a POS which is great because if we can't get together to play for 5 days we don't have to worry about maintaining a POS or having it blown up.

If you really wanted to get me into null I'd need some way to make a meaningful contribution to the organization I am part of without spending 6 hours a day on CTAs, etc. and I'm not really sure how you could change the mechanics to do that.

sez de Goon....