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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#1 - 2011-10-19 15:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Somehow I guess firing WoD team won't boost development of walking in stations because it supposed to use healthy chunk of WoD technologies... And it's sad.

Or maybe I am wrong?
Jashmyne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-10-19 15:13:06 UTC
Thank you for grasping things out of thin air.
Citizen Smif
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-10-19 15:14:12 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
Somehow I guess firing WoD team won't boost development of walking in stations because it supposed to use healthy chunk of WoD technologies... And it's sad.

Or maybe I am wrong?


...STFU
Eugene Spencer
Set Phasers To Malky
#4 - 2011-10-19 15:14:49 UTC
Some people let random words slip off the tips of their fingers.

I have a specific comb for my beard.
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#5 - 2011-10-19 15:15:42 UTC
I'm not worried about WiS until some meaningful game play is actually added to it. Exactly how to do that though, I am not sure.

"Music is a mysterious thing. Sometimes it makes people remember things they do not expect. Many thoughts, feelings, memories... things almost forgotten... Regardless of whether the listener desires to remember or not." - Citan Uzuki, Xenogears
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-10-19 15:17:16 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
Lipbite wrote:
Somehow I guess firing WoD team won't boost development of walking in stations because it supposed to use healthy chunk of WoD technologies... And it's sad.

Or maybe I am wrong?


they didnt shelf WiS, they are delaying WoD, and they just redeployed the creative team to get dust 514 finished and out on the shelves of game stores (maybe even in time for xmas 2012)

some staff from WoD team will be redeployed to continue on WiS to get that finished. Tbh WoD would have flopped anyways... vampire games are so done to death already.

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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#7 - 2011-10-19 15:24:48 UTC
Kilrayn wrote:
I'm not worried about WiS until some meaningful game play is actually added to it. Exactly how to do that though, I am not sure.

Agreed, walking around in a small box with a TV with 1 channel isn't exactly very exciting.

And I never understood why CCP's original plan for the winter expansion was about "smuggling contraband in stations".

During the fanfest a few years ago, they presented bars and corporate offices. I can imagine that having a meeting room with a tactical overlay of a part of the universe would be a good addition to corporate operations. Expecially when you could draw on them, a bit like the tactical overview in Guildwars where people can draw on the map. Add to that some nice gestures like coughing and banging fists on tables and the like and we could have a good realistic meeting environment! ;-)

As it is now without any options for social interaction, it's hardly an addition to the game.
Jashmyne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-10-19 15:34:48 UTC
David Grogan wrote:

Tbh WoD would have flopped anyways... vampire games are so done to death already.

No it wouldn't.
If going by the market, Dust have a far bigger chance of flopping then WoD.
Atleast WoD is based on a popular franchise who's games are way older then the current fad.
And judging from what I read about how the WoD game would work, I say WoD could easily have as many subs as Eve Online does, maybe even more.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-10-19 15:38:21 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
Jashmyne wrote:
David Grogan wrote:

Tbh WoD would have flopped anyways... vampire games are so done to death already.

No it wouldn't.
If going by the market, Dust have a far bigger chance of flopping then WoD.
Atleast WoD is based on a popular franchise who's games are way older then the current fad.
And judging from what I read about how the WoD game would work, I say WoD could easily have as many subs as Eve Online does, maybe even more.



unlike most other fps mmo's dust will have big effects on eve online............. also expansion in eve online will ultimately effect dust and vice versa.......... it would actually be hard to get bored of dust 514 already there is a pretty big group of new players in eve online making isk in preperation for when Dust 514 goes live.

if these new players had not come in to play eve online i doubt eve would had survived the loss of subs from older eve players leaving.

lets hope CCP get the winter expansion re-balance patch right and pull back some of the older players to help make eve great again.

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Jashmyne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-10-19 15:45:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jashmyne
Main problem is that it's a FPS on a console and let's be honest, the market is oversaturated with FPS especially on consoles.
And doubt most console players know or even care about Eve Online and won't see the appeal(Might say that I do own a PS3 and intend to play Dust or atleast try it out.)
Vampire games are rare however and funny enough one of the best vampire games and also considered one of the best RPGs is Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, a WoD game.

So WoD would pretty much be a success(unless CCP screws it up royally) considering WoD already got a large fanbase(both from PC-side and PnP-side) who are looking forward to the MMO especially the PnP crowd and who can blame them ? Based on the info, CCP is making the WoD MMO very close to the PnP version adding the freedom that we love while staying true to the harshness of the rules.
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#11 - 2011-10-19 16:18:19 UTC
Jashmyne wrote:
Main problem is that it's a FPS on a console and let's be honest, the market is oversaturated with FPS especially on consoles.
And doubt most console players know or even care about Eve Online and won't see the appeal(Might say that I do own a PS3 and intend to play Dust or atleast try it out.)
Vampire games are rare however and funny enough one of the best vampire games and also considered one of the best RPGs is Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, a WoD game.

So WoD would pretty much be a success(unless CCP screws it up royally) considering WoD already got a large fanbase(both from PC-side and PnP-side) who are looking forward to the MMO especially the PnP crowd and who can blame them ? Based on the info, CCP is making the WoD MMO very close to the PnP version adding the freedom that we love while staying true to the harshness of the rules.

It has come down to a simple business descision. WoD is a long way off and would require millions more spent on it before it was finished. Whereas Dust514 is much closer to being finished and will generate revenue much earlier, rather than being a 'blood sucker' on the companies financials.

When you think that with WoD they have had a full team and weren't expecting a release for at least another 2+ years, that's a big financial drain and one that CCP can't sustain.

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Jashmyne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-10-19 16:26:15 UTC
Oh I fully understand them pulling back on manpower for the project. May not agree with it but I do understand it.
Also pretty sure WoD wasn't that big of a drain since CCP owns White Wolf so pretty sure that some of the development money comes from the sales of the PnP books and of course royality from the licensed products.

And to be honest, I don't blame them for taking so long with it. Sure they could have spewed out a WoD MMO ala Everquest but it's not something the actual WoD players would want. So right there they have to spend a considerable amount of time just to figure out how to get it as close to the PnP games as possible. Then there was the wait for the Carbon engine.
Considering they had a fan meeting like 1 month ago it sounded like they were pretty much settled and ready to enter development.

But as I stated in the announcement thread, I'm glad they haven't pulled the plug on it atleast and are still working on it.
TheBig Bukowsky
High Safety
#13 - 2011-10-19 16:36:31 UTC
It's funny to see the outstanding number of market analyst experts we have within the MMO community.
Afale II
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-10-19 17:53:22 UTC
good decision from CCP

shutting down one Project that is clearly years away from a final realease to actually expand your main income scource

maybe CCP makes some sense now

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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#15 - 2011-10-19 17:58:53 UTC
Afale II wrote:
good decision from CCP

shutting down one Project that is clearly years away from a final realease to actually expand your main income scource

maybe CCP makes some sense now



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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#16 - 2011-10-19 18:02:21 UTC
I'm a FiS guy, not a WiS guy. That being said I would try WOD if it was Mac friendly.


*fake edit* multitasking and forgot what the topic was, oh well back to work!

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-10-19 18:08:20 UTC
Jashmyne wrote:
David Grogan wrote:

Tbh WoD would have flopped anyways... vampire games are so done to death already.

No it wouldn't.
If going by the market, Dust have a far bigger chance of flopping then WoD.
Atleast WoD is based on a popular franchise who's games are way older then the current fad.
And judging from what I read about how the WoD game would work, I say WoD could easily have as many subs as Eve Online does, maybe even more.


better question, if its "done to death" how many other all vampire based modern set MMOs are out there right now?

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Yes
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-10-19 18:20:34 UTC
Jashmyne wrote:
Main problem is that it's a FPS on a console and let's be honest, the market is oversaturated with FPS especially on consoles.
And doubt most console players know or even care about Eve Online and won't see the appeal(Might say that I do own a PS3 and intend to play Dust or atleast try it out.)
Vampire games are rare however and funny enough one of the best vampire games and also considered one of the best RPGs is Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, a WoD game.

So WoD would pretty much be a success(unless CCP screws it up royally) considering WoD already got a large fanbase(both from PC-side and PnP-side) who are looking forward to the MMO especially the PnP crowd and who can blame them ? Based on the info, CCP is making the WoD MMO very close to the PnP version adding the freedom that we love while staying true to the harshness of the rules.



Its worse that the PS3 already has lots of exclusive shooters.

i mean what would you get if u don't care about eve online

Uncharted
killzone
resistance
BF
Cod
or Dust 514..... ( lets be honest, dust 514 is a pretty bad name for a shooter)

on xbox its only competition would be halo, COD, gears ( but that is done with for a while) and battlefield, not to mention
every multiplatform shooter sells better on xbox
every xbox shooter exclusive sells more then the PS3 counterpart
i mean, halo 3 sold what, 10million lifetime? resistance SERIES might have 3million sales, and killzone 2 and 3 combined are probably around 7million in total, probably less.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-10-19 18:22:59 UTC
and here comes the PS3 vs Xbox derailment

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2011-10-19 18:30:18 UTC
Jashmyne wrote:
David Grogan wrote:

Tbh WoD would have flopped anyways... vampire games are so done to death already.

No it wouldn't.
If going by the market, Dust have a far bigger chance of flopping then WoD.
Atleast WoD is based on a popular franchise who's games are way older then the current fad.
And judging from what I read about how the WoD game would work, I say WoD could easily have as many subs as Eve Online does, maybe even more.
What you need to remember is that, flop or not, Dust is closest at hand to put onto the market and earn some money back. Even if it turns out to be a net loss, it is money in CCP's coffers, and that's what they seem to be needing the most right now. If they can get the EVE numbers back up, they might then have enough cash flow and cash at hand to get back on the WoD horse…

…and no, vampires are not done to death — WoD is an IP that has lived quite a healthy life for 20+ years now, and in that time, it has been less done to death than an IP such as, say, Warcraft. There are tons of old WoD players and LARPers out there (particularly the latter, I'd imagine) that were looking forward to a WoD MMO exactly because it wasn't the latest crop of daytime soap opera with fangs.
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