EVE General Discussion

Okay, obviously we're not going to agree, but let me make one last attempt to at least clarify my position. I don't think high sec should have all the advantages. Far from it. As you've said, there are distinct advantages to unsettled areas (most having to do with untapped resources). There are also advantages to long-settled areas. One of the advantages that historically and logically goes hand in hand with settled areas is industry. In the industrial revolution, city people didn't go out to the wilderness looking for factory jobs, but rather the other way around, because that's where the factories were. Gold Rush era western towns didn't tend to have large manufacturing districts. In null sec, you are effectively building your own factory, and yes, there are greater costs associated with it, and with building it so far from established support infrastructure. Perhaps one of the things CCP should do is make building infrastructure to add many more factories possible, but I just don't see the logic in making null better than high in industry.

It seems like you want all the advantages of high sec for null sec. No one should have everything. Did anyone ever think that perhaps, just perhaps, CCP wants both areas populated, each with it's own advantages that make at least some sense in context of the setting?

Why it's so difficult?

You could do it for "high quality entertainment for carebears". At least I would laugh.

No it wouldn't. Because MANUFACTURING COSTS ARE NEGLIGIBLE, and more slots doesn't inherently help either.

Inject 100k people into null, and that with more slots would help. You guys don't seem to get that there's a numbers issue that makes it impossible for null to be on par with high sec without high sec paying more to build.

Numbers.
You don't sell in bulk at near production levels in null, you sell lower volume with higher margins. Those higher margins make it better to import.

The gap in margins needs to be closed some. The only way that will happen is if it costs more to produce in high sec.

YOU DON'T CHARGE ENOUGH. To many people are doing industry in high sec so everyone's forced to charge near production costs for items, the number of people buying in high offsets that, but it's having a negative impact on null industrialists that don't want to live in high sec.

I NEED 200+ market orders in null to make the ISK I make, and I HAVE to import to the point of importing things I could be building but can't if i want to compete. I can do the same isk amount in high with a fraction of the market orders, and building the **** I want.

Oh god, now he's going to harp on and on about how he mined ice for free for his POS again.

Going to disagree here as those who are objectively after increases in isk will often play the game accordingly, making an analysis of different professions to find the most return while other would be more inclined to just do what they like. While this could coincide with the highest paying activities it in no way needs to and realistically won't as you will likely not be doing the activity in the optimum fashion.

Again going to disagree as highsec mechanics cause people to interact differently than they would in other areas of space. If what you fly, where you fly it, how you fit it and how you fly it don't constitute a change in playstyle i'm not sure what does.

I can agree with that

Being an industrialist is a play style.

Being a pvper is a play style.

Being a mission runner is a play styel.

Being an explorer is a play style.

Playing the market is a play style.

Earning isk is a reward, and in null, as an industrialist, you're rewarded far less than in high sec.

It's going up. 150k isk/unit

You might want to try that lie again.

When I said "try that lie again" I meant "make it more believable".

hurr that was expiry date