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Lilly Tiger
Megalith Heavy Industries
#101 - 2012-10-31 16:15:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilly Tiger
Some Rando wrote:
Lilly Tiger wrote:
I am sure you understand what i really meant by it already though.. The rest of the post talks about actively engaging in PVP. That is not the same as having a "pvp flag is off or on" function and you know it.

I'm not sure that you understand. The mere fact that I can activate offensive modules against your ship pretty much anywhere (with some notable exceptions to get newbies on their feet) indicates to me that there are no places in EVE that are exempt from ship-to-ship PvP.



See my previous reply to Riot Girl, you are both making the same point and either willfully misunderstanding me or just incapable of seeing the distinction im trying to point out. PVPers whine about hisec players not actively trying to PVP more. Hisec players arent safe, they just try to minimize the PVP combat risk because thats how they like to play. The are allowed to do that, because they are still at risk anyways since its a PVP all over the place all the time game.

Stop behaving like i mean its ok to turn off a pvp flag (which i have explicitely said i DONT want).
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#102 - 2012-10-31 16:25:15 UTC
Lilly Tiger wrote:
According to your point, they are already "expressing a willingness to engage in pvp" (in their barge.. wtf?), and such what is the constant whining about from all the PVPers?

The frustration stems from those who refuse to accept the rules. There are some people who wish to undock while retaining the protection of being docked. This wouldn't be a problem if they kept these wishes to themselves, but they don't. They express their desires openly and shamelessly and that is embarrassing and unacceptable.

Oh god.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#103 - 2012-10-31 16:26:45 UTC
Lilly Tiger wrote:
Stop behaving like i mean its ok to turn off a pvp flag (which i have explicitely said i DONT want).

I'm not attacking you, I'm just trying to share my stance on the matter. I apologise if I seem abrasive.

Oh god.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#104 - 2012-10-31 16:30:08 UTC
Lilly Tiger wrote:



See my previous reply to Riot Girl, you are both making the same point and either willfully misunderstanding me or just incapable of seeing the distinction im trying to point out. PVPers whine about hisec players not actively trying to PVP more. Hisec players arent safe, they just try to minimize the PVP combat risk because thats how they like to play. The are allowed to do that, because they are still at risk anyways since its a PVP all over the place all the time game.

Stop behaving like i mean its ok to turn off a pvp flag (which i have explicitely said i DONT want).


No we are trying to stop the bears from removing pvp from high sec. Case in point is the Macks EHP buff which was unnessesary, broke the balance CCP was aiming for and effectivly removed a playstyle for no good reason other than to appease the greed and lazyness of outraged bad miners. Now they want bumping removed too.
Lilly Tiger
Megalith Heavy Industries
#105 - 2012-10-31 16:33:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilly Tiger
Riot Girl wrote:
Lilly Tiger wrote:
According to your point, they are already "expressing a willingness to engage in pvp" (in their barge.. wtf?), and such what is the constant whining about from all the PVPers?

The frustration stems from those who refuse to accept the rules. There are some people who wish to undock while retaining the protection of being docked. This wouldn't be a problem if they kept these wishes to themselves, but they don't. They express their desires openly and shamelessly and that is embarrassing and unacceptable.



Here i agree with you. Those kind of carebears should just leave or HTFU.

Problem is that there are many hisec players who focus on PVE that are not like this. Still, do a mission or sit in a barge in hisec and you are almost auotmatically branded as one of idiots that think we need a pvp flag to switch off.

The problem i see that frustrates me is this:

I'm not sure about the demographics, but there seems to me that there is a higher percentage of pvpers that automatically label and hate hisec players than there is hisec players who behave like they want to be 100% safe from everything.

Take that and include that in the fact that the majority of the players actually are in hisec, and you got quite a pickle.

Basically it seems that a minority in eve (nullsec/lowsec PVPers) is harassing a majority(hisec players), because they view them all as another minority(hisec carebears who want PVP free zones) :)

(now correct me if someone has actual numbers on this or other experiences, I'd like to know)
funrollloops
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2012-10-31 16:46:49 UTC
To be honest, I just don't really trust miners. I don't believe anyone finds mining fun, so what the hell are they doing? They're definitely up to something (at least the ones that aren't bots). I wish they'd find something else to do besides hanging around the asteroid belts in their odd looking barges gibbering weirdly and using their perverted weaponry to shoot space rocks.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#107 - 2012-10-31 16:52:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Lilly Tiger wrote:
Basically it seems that a minority in eve (nullsec/lowsec PVPers) is harassing a majority(hisec players), because they view them all as another minority(hisec carebears who want PVP free zones) :)


I think you are breaking the two sides of the argument down into the wrong categories. The arguments come from those who value the code of conduct for PvP and do not wish to see that code undermined. Their argument is with high-sec carebears, but also with CCP for sacrificing the integrity of that code to satisfy those who do not respect it (the high-sec carebears).

Oh god.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#108 - 2012-10-31 16:56:19 UTC
funrollloops wrote:
To be honest, I just don't really trust miners. I don't believe anyone finds mining fun, so what the hell are they doing? They're definitely up to something (at least the ones that aren't bots). I wish they'd find something else to do besides hanging around the asteroid belts in their odd looking barges gibbering weirdly and using their perverted weaponry to shoot space rocks.


James summed it up well a while ago: Miners strive to NOT play the game and to instead be bots. I'll try and find the post, it was one of his big threadnaughts about ganking miners from last year
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#109 - 2012-10-31 17:51:50 UTC
Anslo wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Adding to the bounty pool on this disgusting carebear. We can make sure it's worthwhile for people to suicide gank you again and again.


I'm kind of sure targeted suicide ganking too many times is against the rules and counted as griefing...


Not if you're making a profit by doing it.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#110 - 2012-10-31 17:59:17 UTC
!!!!HERE'S AN AMAZING AND UNHEARD OF IDEA!!!!


Get ready for this one guys, it's a doozy.....





All PvP in EVE is actually consensual - you consent the moment you log in. You may or may not like the way you got PvP'd in any given situation, but the fact is, you did consent to it.








The solution, therefore, is to stop logging in.







EVE is a game for lions. Be a lion and you will be successful. Whine... and you will be forever at the mercy of other people.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2012-10-31 18:00:28 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
!!!!HERE'S AN AMAZING AND UNHEARD OF IDEA!!!!


Get ready for this one guys, it's a doozy.....





All PvP in EVE is actually consensual - you consent the moment you log in. You may or may not like the way you got PvP'd in any given situation, but the fact is, you did consent to it.








The solution, therefore, is to stop logging in.







EVE is a game for lions. Be a lion and you will be successful. Whine... and you will be forever at the mercy of other people.


I'd rather be a hippo Big smile

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
White Quake
Doomheim
#112 - 2012-10-31 19:20:17 UTC
Well

Took my kids off to a halloween party and came back to 6 pages, awsum

Bottom line is

No where in eve is safe, standard practice

However, players who don't want to pvp should be left alone

If eve were pure pvp only

The game would crash over night

think about it :)
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#113 - 2012-10-31 19:44:35 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
People tend to forget that you have a choice in EvE


YEP pretty much every whiney NULL sponsored NERF HI SEC thread is really a nerf choices thread ( same is true of the whiney HI SEC sponsored nerf gankers threads of course )
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#114 - 2012-10-31 19:44:58 UTC
Lilly Tiger wrote:

I was actually following and posting in that thread you mentioned, and have been writing similar threads myself in the past. The reason he asked for it locked might have been that insistent guy always posting angry retorts and hiding behind "im in character!" and reiterating the same arguments over and over again?

I'm comfortable with this. Because I did. Deliberately.

Do me a favour and look at the OP in that topic. Then look at his last post before he asked it to be locked. Then tell me how he fast he educated himself about lack of forum censorship.

Carry on.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#115 - 2012-10-31 19:46:28 UTC
Xuixien wrote:


EVE is a game for lions. Be a lion and you will be successful. Whine... and you will be forever at the mercy of other people.


The whiney lions IMHO are alot more despicable then whiney Zebras you have to admit, no?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#116 - 2012-10-31 19:56:10 UTC
One way of improving these forums might be that you must post with your main.

The Op is clearly hiding behind an alt or just lying, rabble rabble rabble " I'm a PvP pilot of nine years".

Which in that case makes the OP's post a clear case of trolling. Trolling is as you know is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums.

I think you all are trolled.
White Quake
Doomheim
#117 - 2012-10-31 20:02:34 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
One way of improving these forums might be that you must post with your main.

The Op is clearly hiding behind an alt or just lying, rabble rabble rabble " I'm a PvP pilot of nine years".

Which in that case makes the OP's post a clear case of trolling. Trolling is as you know is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums.

I think you all are trolled.



been here since 03

ca/bob/ascn/lv/g/iron/red alliance

i post with an alt because i dont want buncha butt hurt nobs ganking e 24/7 to prove a point
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#118 - 2012-10-31 20:02:40 UTC
People on the forums troll and rage on everyone, not just non pvp players.

The non-pvp players single themselves out when they post the 'leave me alone, you have no right to gank me, you have no right to do ice interdiction, you have no right to ninja salvage me... ' etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.... You all know I can go on and on with the complaints they make.

They single themselves out on the forums not realizing that this is a pvp game. No matter where you are in Eve you are always in the position where you may need to fight/flight to save your ship.

THIS IS A PVP GAME. - BOOM - there is it.

Once a player realizes this, as I did in my early months, they have the option to adapt. Either fight / flight/ or fit until concord saves ur butt.

OP - sorry, but you cannot call on everyone in the game to tell them to stop playing within the perameters that the game was built upon. Annoyance on the forums comes from posts like that. Suggestions that this not be a pvp game belongs on the suggestion forums IMO.

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#119 - 2012-10-31 20:26:28 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:

Annoyance on the forums comes from posts like that. Suggestions that this not be a pvp game belongs on the suggestion forums IMO.

Heard someone the other day on an eve TS channel complaining he had no-one else to talk to.

Asked why, he was playing X3.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Lilly Tiger
Megalith Heavy Industries
#120 - 2012-10-31 20:44:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilly Tiger
Touval Lysander wrote:
Lilly Tiger wrote:

I was actually following and posting in that thread you mentioned, and have been writing similar threads myself in the past. The reason he asked for it locked might have been that insistent guy always posting angry retorts and hiding behind "im in character!" and reiterating the same arguments over and over again?

I'm comfortable with this. Because I did. Deliberately.

Do me a favour and look at the OP in that topic. Then look at his last post before he asked it to be locked. Then tell me how he fast he educated himself about lack of forum censorship.

Carry on.


I always found it easier to just block the people that bring nothing worthwhile to the table, be it scammers in jita or trolls on the forum.

Your posts have some points among your anger, so you're not on that list though.

It just was amusing to see the "im in character so dont judge my real life persona based on my angrily worded replies" in this forum. No problem with you playing a part, but don't expect everyone to applaud you for it and take it for granted that THAT is what you are doing on a general discussion, usually out of character, forum.

But i see your point. Just be aware that there is another way of dealing with people who behave like pricks: not logging off, but putting them on the ignore list instead. Pirate