Ships & Modules

I understand that in terms of solo pvp around FW areas, frigate warfare is extremely common.

I mostly see merlins and condors flying together along with incursus's and tristans. And we can't forget the almighty rifter.

But I haven't seen very much on the amarr side, isn't the amarr combat frigate the punisher? What makes it so lacking compared to the merlin and incursus?

And what amarr T1 frigates are competitors in solo frigate pvp?

Stop giving him bad advice


1. The rifter is ****, don't believe anyone that claims otherwise.
2. Executioner isn't that good a kiter either.. Its semi decent at best.
3. Among the tier 1 frigates, the Incursus is GOD

You ever heard of trying something different, or not flying the FOTM hmm?

Is a range-scripted TD blaster Incursus viable solo, or is it better to fit web to keep the opponent as close to my TD'd optimal as I am able?

If they have a web they will either maintain range and run away. They won't be able to hurt you, but you won't be able to hurt them.



There is no AF (bar maybe a poor-tracking kiting AF that you catch) that will lose to an incursus in a brawl unless you allow for an incompetent AF pilot.

If you have dual reps you will not have a web, which means that the only way you'll be able to get in blaster range is if the guy is dumb and places himself there. The one exception is the AFs that ~have~ to be in your blaster range...There is only one of those, a blaster Enyo, which will pretty much ignore the dual reps because of its silly-high damage.



Dual-rep incursus fit is horribly gimmicky against frigates for the reasons I described - almost anyone will just kite you. The 'standard' Incursus fit involves scram/web and a one-rep armor tank, which I find to be the best overall. That said, the Incursus is absolutely not really any better than other frigates bar the Rifter.

The Rifter is, absolutely, gimpy and awful. It wasn't changed in the rebalance which means it pretty much doesn't have any advantages. Compared to other combat frigates it is not any faster, has vastly less tank, and poor damage. All the others are good though.

Dual Rep incursus is a pain sure but a well flown nuet rifter (AKA Super rifter) pretty much eats them all day long.

The current frig line up is as balanced as it has ever been. For every frig out there in every setup ther is another frig/setup that will own them completely!

Don't listen to the guys saying fly this fly that because of x,y,z pick one which you think is fun and fly it...they are cheap enough to learn from your mistakes.

For Amarr the Punisher, Tormentor and Executioner are all very viable pvp ships if flown right against the right targets. You need to switch your targets/tactics based on your fit and ship capabilites.

I've had great fun flying around in a punisher setup similar to a slicer....and everyone expected me to brawl got caught out. I've also brawled in an executioner when ppl expect you to kite...

All are viable now. The rifter still has the flexibility it always had and you will not know how it is setup untill you engage pretty much. If it is setup in a similar way to a frig that does it better it will probably die. If it is setup to counter a particular frig setup then it will probably own it completely. The frig rebalance brought the other races combat/attack frigs up to speed but the rifter is still the rifter and it can do what it has always been able to....it's just not the I win button of frig pvp anymore, and this is agood thing.

Since it's well know that I am in fact teh 1337est frig pilot in all of EvE Online!!!1!!!one!!! you should only take into consideration my advice.

/epeen rant

MWD brawler merlin is perhaps the best roaming frig for low and null if you have max skills as you do about 190 dps with null OH'd and have 5.8k ehp fit like:

[Merlin, MWD Brawler]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I

Note: if you have perfect fitting and rigging skills like the and a 1% fitting imp you can swap a magstab to a DCU and an extender to a t2 damage rig which is totally worth it.

The merlin is an amazing stepping stone to the MWD blarpy which I would say is one of the best roaming AFs next to the MWD single rep venge. If you manage your approach perfectly on the merlin and shoot void you do a whopping 270 dps OH'd demolishing dual rep incursi.

That said I usually avoid dual rep incursi in the merlin as you if you commit you'll probably die. For every other frig I usually don't have trouble brawling them down in the merlin as well as the ability to catch kiters like slicers and tackling inties separated from their gang.

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I don't fly punishers but messing around in EFT for a little bit and I got a fit with 124 dps with IN multi and 100 with scorch projecting to 10km and 11k ehp. Unless you're under heavy neuting pressure it's pretty much easy mode to fly.

My favorite incursus fit is AB rails. I've experimented with MWD fits with ion but they just aren't as potent for killing stuff as the merlin is.

I find it interesting that no one has brought up the atron which is an excellent kiter with rails and neutrons. With AB and 150's you can kite at 12km in OH'd web range or further depending on what you're fighting going up to 2km/s with your heated AB. The neutron atron gets the same dps as the merlin but with 8km falloff.

Well, this is about what happens:

1. You run into a brawling Executioner or Tormentor. They hold you at range, do about as much damage as you do, and run out of tank before you do. You win.

2. You run into a kitey ship. You lose.

3. You run into a brawling AC boat or blaster boat. They orbit you at 500, do more than 124 dps at this range, meanwhile you do much less than 124dps due to your terrible tracking at this range, you run out of tank before they do. You lose.

I've not had a ship get 'under my guns' in my punishers...ever...even when I run a mwd in them which is fairly regular as they are a brick and most people just run away from you

it doesnt matter what you fly from the common frigs. Is how you fly and how much you know about the enemy's ship. Ammar is a nice race to have. At least 1 ship at every category is viable . Especially there is a AF they have that is a beast if you .. tengu style it :P