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Loren Gallen. How does he do it?

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Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#1 - 2011-10-18 22:29:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
When I was in FW, I was always curious as to how he could gank the squids in hisec Caldari space and what sort of setup he needed. But I don't have a definitive answer and hope others can help chime in here.

Does he have an alt scout not in FW and looks for squids to gank. If so, then he's dualboxing . But the problem becomes that his main, Loren Gallen, has to tank the Caldari police force while he's still taking damage from the gankee. I don't think he can survive long enough to take damage from both gankee and the police force. Admittedly, most gankees never see it coming so he's really only concerned about the police force.

Or is he tri-boxing? He has an alt scout, his main (the DPS), and a logi alt (in FW) that will rep him while he's taking damage?

I know there are some kills where he just waits for the victim to take alot of damage (during their missioning) and he just comes in for the kill. So that can be dualboxing with a scout. But it doesn't explain other kills which requires a more sophisticated setup.

Thoughts? Inquiring minds want to know.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Doom Hawk
Norfolk Heavy Industries
#2 - 2011-10-18 22:59:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Doom Hawk
he is just that good... think of loren as the chuck norris of EVE. His chin could kick you ass... lol.

but really he does have a Loki booster on occasion. he also is not afraid to commit very costly ships. Mach's etc.

I will say this he does honor 1v1, he usually wins but thats another story
Mara Abraham
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-10-18 23:16:53 UTC
Good day, Deen:

How are you doing?

My guess from what I've seen in and out of FW is neutral alt to scout. The neutral alt may also be a boosting Loki / Tengu.

Neutral RR wouldn't be out of the picture either.

Of course, all of this is speculation.

Thank you.

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Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-10-18 23:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Mekhana
You don't find Loren Gallen.

Loren Gallen finds you.

PS

Come back Deen. We miss you :3

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-10-19 10:51:13 UTC
Easily, since Caldari FW unfortunately has too many people flying bling bling PvE boats while being in a militia and thus being wardecced /o\
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#6 - 2011-10-19 12:58:29 UTC
St Mio wrote:
Easily, since Caldari FW unfortunately has too many people flying bling bling PvE boats while being in a militia and thus being wardecced /o\

He's referring specifically to how he deals with the faction police pwning his ass whilst he does it.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#7 - 2011-10-19 13:49:57 UTC
Thanks Mara- Yeah, at this point, it's still speculation so not sure how he's done it. Looks like none of the above can figure it out either Roll Hope others can shed some light. Glad to see you gone pirate!


Mara Abraham wrote:
Good day, Deen:

How are you doing?

My guess from what I've seen in and out of FW is neutral alt to scout. The neutral alt may also be a boosting Loki / Tengu.

Neutral RR wouldn't be out of the picture either.

Of course, all of this is speculation.

Thank you.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Maxwell Thomas
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
#8 - 2011-10-19 14:28:01 UTC
For one he stays in 0.5 systems so the police are easy to tank and don't contribute very much to the DPS of the gankee.
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#9 - 2011-10-19 14:34:28 UTC
Faction Navies (Navies not Police) are very tankable in .5-.8 systems. 1 neut / militia scout+1 well tanked ship (Rokh or Hyperion work well). Scan...warp in...neut the pve ship in 2 cycles...shoot the resistance hole while the npcs shoot him too...warp out...neut alt picks Up loot. All done in under 1min.


Or just pick a fast aligning ship and roam around high sec popping badgers on autopilot. Faction Navies are slow and NEVER point.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-10-19 14:55:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mekhana
Maxwell Thomas wrote:
For one he stays in 0.5 systems so the police are easy to tank and don't contribute very much to the DPS of the gankee.


Not true he has gotten kills in 1.0 as well. Though his majority are in 0.5 because that's the easier ones.

Loren is a bit of a local deity in the militia. He has shared his secrets with a few of us but we'd never share them with anyone else.

We have some new aspiring Lorens in the making as well.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Lugalzagezi666
#11 - 2011-10-19 15:06:14 UTC
Neutral boosting/probing t3 is always good to have - 5 links + bonused probes, scan mission, warp gank bs in, pop carebear.
Or just scout agent station and wait carebear on gate next door.
Or use neut mach to bump him off station when hes trying to dock/when hes undocking and finish him with bhaal as hes slowboating to docking range.

Anyway, it takes alot of waiting + planning and "pvp" you get isnt very interesting. You warp in, apply neut and dps, tax avoider is going wtf, tax avoider goes boom. If enemy militia tries to chase you, you dock and go watch porn for a while.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#12 - 2011-10-19 15:07:25 UTC
Guessing he uses T3 alt which is standard for "solo PvP'ers" these days and/or a neutral RR alt which are very common in high-sec "PvP".

Then it is just a matter of ditching the navy which can be done easily enough by off-loading the aggro onto one of the alts (just needs to be in militia for it not to be an exploit) or by messing up their spawn by logging off/on and thus not having them around at all ...

In case you missed it: PvP does not exist in high-sec AT ALL, hence the quotation marks. Ganking is all it is, and as Goons have proven several times over the years it doesn't take rocket scientists or pro-athletes to gank hapless unaware noobs.
Lugalzagezi666
#13 - 2011-10-19 15:11:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugalzagezi666
E: also guy named Jalmon from minnie militia used to do this long time ago - but like a real man in t2 fit phoon with t1 torps.Big smile
E2: edit fail Lol
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-19 15:14:26 UTC
Loren has killed plenty of combat pilots as well more than bears and AFKers.

Just recently he fought a whole gang by himself.

Also sometimes the 'bear' in question sometimes is a trap, he still manages to win though or he smells it from a mile away and gets the **** out.

He does plenty of low sec too. None of you commenting on him actually know him.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Zeerover
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2011-10-19 15:45:49 UTC
Loren Gallen is an expert pvp'er. I've had the pleasure to fight with and against him and do know his setup for high-sec ganking. Some of it is fairly straight forward, some not so much. There is no neutral logistics involved, but a t3 boosting/probing alt is a must.

Loren Gallen is not the only one who does it, but he is the best at it. Jalmon and Bobamelius Two are two other prolific hunters. All 3 of them have gotten some incredible kills and there is an eve-vid out there by Bob. You can search all 3 of them on the killboards and see that the ships suited for this kind of work range from Typhoons to Paladins and Bhaalgorns, and they all have 3 key factors in common, which you need to figure out by yourself ;)

I've been out on some of these hunts, and contrary to what most people think it's not a high paced gankaton. Spending 5 hours only to catch 1 t2 fit dominix is normal for these guys and in my opinion not really worth it. I still have a typhoon collecting dust in Cat, maybe one day I'll return. It's not all waiting in vain for dominixes, they do hit the big kill now and then, and reap the isk and accolades when they do. Much like big-game hunting in the real world I'd assume.

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Lugalzagezi666
#16 - 2011-10-19 16:28:54 UTC
Zeerover wrote:
Spending 5 hours only to catch 1 t2 fit dominix is normal for these guys and in my opinion not really worth it.

Exactly my thoughts. Too much planning, preparations, waiting. And all for one sided gank lasting maybe 1 minute.

If someone enjoys it and is succesfull, ok. But there is no magic behind it. Simple use /and sometimes abuse Lol/ of eve pvp mechanics.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#17 - 2011-10-19 16:41:13 UTC
Holy ****!

Mekhana wrote:


Just recently he fought a whole gang by himself.




But in all seriousness Loren is the Chuck Norris of Eve.

nom nom

Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#18 - 2011-10-19 16:52:33 UTC
There is no trick, he just knows what he's doing and does it well.

Loren doesnt pvp, the eve server pays him homage with kills.
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-10-19 18:34:15 UTC
I've spent quite a lot of time studying Lorren and trying to figure out how I can do the same, and this is what I've come up with:

1. He has a loki boost (very important for catching targets and boosting tank)
2. He uses expensive ships, like the Machariel (Machs have great range, great dps, high speed to burn to victoms, and decent tanks)
3. He uses blue pills (Blue pills boost his active shield boost amount by a LOT, allowing him to stay in the fight way longer)
4. He uses at LEAST one cap injector to prevent his ship from capping out during the fight, while allowing his booster to stay on.
5. Unconfirmed, but he may have yet another character in the Caldari militia itself acting as spy and feeding him intel. A lot of his kills seem to be pre-scouted it seems. He also pounces on people very quickly and runs away when engaging on gates before backup can arrive.

He's really good at what he does, and has it down to a science. Even so, he still manages to lose his ships (though even if he does lose his ship, it's a drop in the bucket compared to the isk he makes off dropped mods).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#20 - 2011-10-19 21:52:54 UTC
I'd name gallens caldari militia alt but I feel this public service that loren offers is too good. Also it ammusing to see everyone speculate as to who his alt/boosters are Lol Cull more faction BS good sir.
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