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Carebear Entitlement: The Decadence of the Modern Era

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-10-31 00:52:44 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
There is a group of people playing EVE, right now, that do not want any other player to have an impact on them. Anyone that thinks otherwise is naive, ignorant, or is one those people.

When a bunch of people start complaining about an activety in the game, whose biggest impact on them is the loss of a cycle of ore, it's pretty obvious those people do not want other players to impact them.

You guys have a count on the number of people that are complaining vrs # of subscriptions vrs the number of red herring threads created to keep this topic alive?

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Lord Calus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-10-31 01:01:28 UTC
Kagasumi wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Stuff .


What exactly is your point? You don't provide any examples of how the game is sliding into carebear land.

Let's take a somewhat recent addition: Planetary Interaction.

You can do much better at it in null sec, than in high sec. Supplies are better in low than high, and higher than low in null.

How does that pander to carebears? Pilots in null sec can get filthy rich from it in comparison.

You are railing against carebears existing, is the real point you are trying to make. Sorry, but this game is for all types or players. Some go to null sec, and others don't. If you are getting bored down there, you have it within your own power to do something about it. Don't expect someone else's game to be altered to satisfy your own playstyle.


Oh my, it is like you activly live in nullsec and know exactly how to make money.

I know for a fact that my PI chain is 100% safe to get the stuff from, and doesnt have to be freightered around creation, and that all the good moons are in 1 system, and all it takes is just going and loading up the rorqual and collecting bacon!

And ratting, hoo boy lemme tell ya. Them intel channels make it 100% safe from the roaming gangs that come by and know where the ratting systems are, and then camp them for hours just because. Or the AFK dude who maybe isn't AFK, but probably is, but might not be, so don't undock anything shiny mkay?

Its like you know exactly how much cash can be made by AFK mining ice and only alt+tabbing back to eve to transport it to station without having to spend ANY effort at all.

I mean, you practically gush how you just KNOW in your heart of hearts that every single person in the ebil goosn empire gets showered with their own personal techmoons and can buy a supercap character and ship every other month!! I know I can!!

Your expert knowledge of how profitable it is to produce in complete safety, with our own locally sourced and sufficient minerals, off our fully researched complete T2 BPO library, with enough manufacturing slots for everyone certainly made me stop and think twice about why I wasn't manufacturing also!!

I mean, surely NOONE in nullsec, especially the ebil goosn empire has alts to run L4s in empire, or to trade in 4-4, or who circled a butan for hours in a ship without guns, or suckled the incursion teat, or manipulated the oxytope market. No sir. The money making opportunities in 0.0 are FAR superior to anywhere else!! I totally know, cuz I am posting on a faceless NPC alt .... whoops.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#43 - 2012-10-31 01:49:37 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
There is a group of people playing EVE, right now, that do not want any other player to have an impact on them. Anyone that thinks otherwise is naive, ignorant, or is one those people.

When a bunch of people start complaining about an activety in the game, whose biggest impact on them is the loss of a cycle of ore, it's pretty obvious those people do not want other players to impact them.

You guys have a count on the number of people that are complaining vrs # of subscriptions vrs the number of red herring threads created to keep this topic alive?

BINGO!! Give that man a Kewpie Doll.

Now. Le'ts work out who the red herring posters are..... Hmmm.... Ah ha. Idea

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
YuuKnow
The Scope
#44 - 2012-10-31 02:01:40 UTC
Wasn't even worth reading.
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-10-31 13:31:40 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Ah, the classic empty 'carebear unsub' threat.


It's ok guys, I'm sure there's at least one carebear out there who actually has 50 accounts to unsubBig smile
Ji Sama
Akira Industries
#46 - 2012-10-31 13:43:59 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
You made me laugh, if I did not think you were an alt of James I might have given you a thumbs up.

I was just about to say, OP, welcome to the pantheon of "accused of being my alt"! Smile


Join the club!
Our alts shall dominate EVE!
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-10-31 13:50:27 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Still trying to figure out who the carebears are. Are they...

A) Hi-sec peeps that mine with a chance to be ganked or harassed where the gankers have consequences

or

B) Lo/Null-sec peeps that travel in large groups (blobs) killing with no reprecussion

They both whine equally so I am a bit confused.


Most Low/Null pvpers have highsec alts for money/logistics and a lot of highsec bears make pvp alts when they get bored, so essentially the whiners in EVE are like that guy from Fight Club running around trying to stop his split personality from blowing up buildings and castrating people.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#48 - 2012-10-31 14:20:08 UTC
I too and a James 315 Alt, or I was till I found out James is really Sansha Kuvakei, then I quit, swallowed the blue pill and got the hell up out of the matrix.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#49 - 2012-10-31 14:21:53 UTC
No!

I am James 315!

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2012-10-31 14:26:45 UTC
So is there anything actually wrong with carebears?
Or is it just none of you actually want to pirate on each other?
Is there something wrong with being a pirate?
Or is it that you all fear the blob?
Is there something wrong with the Null blob?
Yes and if you disagree, I kindly ask for the report in which you soloed a null blob several times.
Is there something wrong with whs?
I'll let you know when they can hear me ask over the sound of all the ISK they are making.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#51 - 2012-10-31 15:07:50 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
So is there anything actually wrong with carebears?
Or is it just none of you actually want to pirate on each other?
Is there something wrong with being a pirate?
Or is it that you all fear the blob?
Is there something wrong with the Null blob?
Yes and if you disagree, I kindly ask for the report in which you soloed a null blob several times.
Is there something wrong with whs?
I'll let you know when they can hear me ask over the sound of all the ISK they are making.


Mind boggling that people feel so self-entitled as to 'passionately' care what other players do (botting excepted).

There has to be a word for it in the mental illness lexicon somewhere.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2012-10-31 15:11:16 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
So is there anything actually wrong with carebears?
Or is it just none of you actually want to pirate on each other?
Actually we do which is kind of the problem.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#53 - 2012-10-31 15:15:31 UTC
People with empty lives, robbed of their futures by their own predicaments or corrupt governments, come to the forums to continue to be part of the problem.


Just play the f**king game you losers.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2012-10-31 15:16:58 UTC
herzog tell us again about when you took a wormhole to 0.0 and did some anomalies that one time
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#55 - 2012-10-31 15:20:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
There is a group of people playing EVE, right now, that do not want any other player to have an impact on them. Anyone that thinks otherwise is naive, ignorant, or is one those people.

When a bunch of people start complaining about an activety in the game, whose biggest impact on them is the loss of a cycle of ore, it's pretty obvious those people do not want other players to impact them.

You guys have a count on the number of people that are complaining vrs # of subscriptions vrs the number of red herring threads created to keep this topic alive?



Yup. The whiners could ALL be whining smack-talkers. Probably are.

edit: TBH, I've always felt that most of those posts were just propaganda planted by bored pirates and other decadent Null Dwellers. Any 'carebear' truly upset about it all would just quit.

I think almost ALL of it is faked.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Besoina
Delicious Snacks
#56 - 2012-10-31 15:36:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Besoina
Carebear Entitlement: The Decadence of the Modern Era?

The brutal reality: Null sec alliances & corp leaders are in it for their OWN interests.


Very rarely do you find corporations/alliances that really appreciate what you do, or work together with you, spread the profit & entice participation. When you’re up in high sec earning isk you’re serving your own self-interests & fattening your wallet. They hate that. They dismiss it & naturally they want you to go away or better yet, convince the masses that high sec players should be griefed & hated upon. I coldn't imagine a more pathetic tool then a high sec griefer.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#57 - 2012-10-31 15:50:24 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
herzog tell us again about when you took a wormhole to 0.0 and did some anomalies that one time




Multiple times and I still do it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2012-10-31 16:17:18 UTC
Besoina wrote:
Carebear Entitlement: The Decadence of the Modern Era?

The brutal reality: Null sec alliances & corp leaders are in it for their OWN interests.

Taking all that wonderful moon goo for themselves, all on your playtime, your isk, your efforts. Most people don't realize it, but the top brass rarely disclose how much they are pocketing for themselves. Do you ever get a peice of the moon pie?
Uh yeah. If any of the moons in the south were worth taking, I could just erect a POS on any of them whenever I wanted.

Quote:
Pos maintenance, industry, manufacturing etc are all core elements of a successful null alliance yet none of that involves any pvp & without it, you couldn't even exist there long term.
POSs receive fuel, therefore null industry does not need a buff. lol
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#59 - 2012-10-31 16:42:49 UTC
Besoina wrote:
Carebear Entitlement: The Decadence of the Modern Era?

The brutal reality: Null sec alliances & corp leaders are in it for their OWN interests.

Taking all that wonderful moon goo for themselves, all on your playtime, your isk, your efforts. Most people don't realize it, but the top brass rarely disclose how much they are pocketing for themselves. Do you ever get a peice of the moon pie? Of course not - you get your ship replaced if its lost (peanuts for the alliance) & thats it.. Do they reward you for blowing up enemy ships? No - very rarely. It's the bare minimum to ensure you keep defending their space. It's in their best interests to keep you out of high sec & permiate a "pvp lifstyle".

Pos maintenance, industry, manufacturing etc are all core elements of a successful null alliance yet none of that involves any pvp & without it, you couldn't even exist there long term. Players learn & implement this in HIGH SEC before moving down to null. So stop with the anti miner, high sec care bear mentality. People will move to null when they are ready.

They lure you in with ratting, plexing etc. Notice how pissed they get when your plexing during a surprise CTA? Ever notice that unless you rub shoulders with the top inner circle, you’re just another nameless grunt in the fleet? How does that make you feel on TeamSpeak being given hell or told what to do by a complete stranger?

Very rarely do you find corporations/alliances that really appreciate what you do, or work together with you, spread the profit & entice participation. When you’re up in high sec earning isk you’re serving your own self-interests & fattening your wallet. They hate that. They dismiss it & naturally they want you to go away or better yet, convince the masses that high sec players should be griefed & hated upon. I coldn't imagine a more pathetic tool then a high sec griefer.


The problem here is that you don't understand that everyone isn't like you, as evidenced by the part I underlined.

A lot of the "a-social" solo EVE players say this when asked about why they don't go to null sec or join a player corp ect ect, They don't want someone else to be able to tell them what to do and so forth.

Playing a game with other people, a so called MULTIPLAYER game sometimes means that the wants and needs of other people (or the ingame "mission" such as conquering space territory) will trump your personal wants and needs. Doing big great things like conquering Regions requires organization, organization requires both Heirarchy and Discipline.

Those of us who choose to be a part of the "clubs" (corp and alliances) for the most part accept this as a price to be paid for what we want to be a part of, just like I ersonally accepted the price for ratting in null sec in player protected space was helping defend that space in a CTA.

But the "Lone Wolf" solo player can't grasp these ideas, to them their play time is all about them and no one else, which is why they'd be much better off in a game with an offline single player component where no one can mess with them and they can't affect anyone else with their mined up minerals or missioned up LP/Isk.

But they want to "have their cake and eat it too" They want to be left alone like in a single player game but want to benefits of playing an MMO.

This is why I'm cheering on the goons and others messing with them and blowing up their ships (even though I don't personally partke myself), I hate such entitled people in Real life and doubly so in a game that is supposed to be about conflict and competition.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-10-31 16:46:04 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
There is a group of people playing EVE, right now, that do not want any other player to have an impact on them. Anyone that thinks otherwise is naive, ignorant, or is one those people.

When a bunch of people start complaining about an activety in the game, whose biggest impact on them is the loss of a cycle of ore, it's pretty obvious those people do not want other players to impact them.

You guys have a count on the number of people that are complaining vrs # of subscriptions vrs the number of red herring threads created to keep this topic alive?


edit: TBH, I've always felt that most of those posts were just propaganda planted by Null Dwellers.

I think almost ALL of it is faked.

Edit because I wanted to get to the core of it:

Honestly, I'm beginning to think that there is actually a "fifth column" type thing going on - and *not* directed at "carebears" or "hi-sec" specifically. It really is beginning to smack of a group targeting CCP (much like last year - but quieter) to point out flaws in the current mechanics.


Not "hi-sec" aggression, not "lvl 4's", not "miners" or "mining" in particular, but how seriously *bad* null is for "Empire Building".


Seriously, think about it: You *can't* get 100% refine in Null, you can upgrade your manufacturing only somewhat (and that at the sheep cluster **** that is POS manufacturing) - it's a very real waste of time when "Hi-Sec" has all that and more (higher degree of safety) *AND* much greater convenience to markets.

Oh, those other mechanics might get attention as a result of this/these threads ( Roll ) but the real focus is/has been on null-mechanics.

For months.

Every thread compares one sec status band to another, and the shortcomings/advantages of each. And in most ways (Caps production and *sov* itself excluded) hi-sec has huge advantages.

As has been said elsewhere, make 0.0 "livable" for those who *want* to live there, and *most* of these problems take care of themselves...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.