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Cultural elitism and the war against Pubdom - is this is the future of EVE?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#21 - 2012-10-31 12:00:10 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Den Arius wrote:
Very true, however it takes dedication to bring in a large number of people from a solid community (not everybody is a part of a community which would be interested in EVE. What about the casuals who just want to play internet spaceships? Should they have to endure this attack?

Yes. I think this is where your argument falls apart.

It because they're a moron.

He will never be a :shobon: newbie.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#22 - 2012-10-31 12:01:32 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
He tried to get into TEST ... let me guess here, I think I got it ... he contracted over stuff or gave money.

Haha


It seems he was refused because he makes too many dumb threads on Reddit.


As far as OPs go, I think that this was a fairly good thread.

Bobb
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#23 - 2012-10-31 12:01:34 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
He tried to get into TEST ... let me guess here, I think I got it ... he contracted over stuff or gave money.

Haha

It seems he was refused because he makes too many dumb threads on Reddit.

Look at his posting here.

Is this in any way a surprise to anyone here, at all?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#24 - 2012-10-31 12:02:55 UTC
It is happening, right here! Cultural elitism! They are persecuting me because I do not post in the style that they would like me to post in. This is outright rejection because I don't share their culture.

Bobb
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#25 - 2012-10-31 12:03:31 UTC
Den Arius wrote:


In other MMOs, these "communities" do not verbally attack, reject and generally abuse people who aren't part of their little group. I have no problem with folks getting together from other areas of the internet/rl, however I have a problem with such folks using this to give themselves a sense of "I'm better than you" over everybody else.


There is only 1 group that actually does what you say that I've seen, and that's Goons. TEST usually run around calling themselves ****, and they do have some corps that openly recruit. Goons go under a different motto.

In other games they are pretty much the same. WoW for example had Elitist Jerks, which ironically merged into Goons.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#26 - 2012-10-31 12:05:43 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
It is happening, right here! Cultural elitism! They are persecuting me because I do not post in the style that they would like me to post in. This is outright rejection because I don't share their culture.

We're not denying the opportunity to share our culture.

Oh god.
Plexas Aideron
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2012-10-31 12:05:45 UTC
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#28 - 2012-10-31 12:05:53 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Den Arius wrote:


In other MMOs, these "communities" do not verbally attack, reject and generally abuse people who aren't part of their little group. I have no problem with folks getting together from other areas of the internet/rl, however I have a problem with such folks using this to give themselves a sense of "I'm better than you" over everybody else.


There is only 1 group that actually does what you say that I've seen, and that's Goons. TEST usually run around calling themselves ****, and they do have some corps that openly recruit. Goons go under a different motto.

In other games they are pretty much the same. WoW for example had Elitist Jerks, which ironically merged into Goons.


Admittedly, TEST are much more open. The thing is with WoW - the majority of corps were not elitist. In EVE, the entire northern section of the map (now invading further downwards..) is under the grasp of a volatile and rejectionist culture.

Bobb
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-10-31 12:07:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Riedle
Quote:
Very true, however it takes dedication to bring in a large number of people from a solid community (not everybody is a part of a community which would be interested in EVE. What about the casuals who just want to play internet spaceships? Should they have to endure this attack?

In other MMOs, these "communities" do not verbally attack, reject and generally abuse people who aren't part of their little group. I have no problem with folks getting together from other areas of the internet/rl, however I have a problem with such folks using this to give themselves a sense of "I'm better than you" over everybody else.



Well you are not in Goonswarm or whatever so what business is it of yours?

Presumably if the people in the Alliance or whatever don't like it, they can leave on their own.

Stop being such a busy body.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-10-31 12:10:18 UTC
You are complaining about the two biggest ******* alliances being assholes. Why would you even want to join them anyway? They can do whatever they want with their recruiting. If they are using stupid rules and methods for their recruiting then that just goes to show how just how stupid they are.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Now with that understood are you proud to be affiliated with them through those forums?

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#31 - 2012-10-31 12:10:39 UTC
Riedle wrote:
Quote:
Very true, however it takes dedication to bring in a large number of people from a solid community (not everybody is a part of a community which would be interested in EVE. What about the casuals who just want to play internet spaceships? Should they have to endure this attack?

In other MMOs, these "communities" do not verbally attack, reject and generally abuse people who aren't part of their little group. I have no problem with folks getting together from other areas of the internet/rl, however I have a problem with such folks using this to give themselves a sense of "I'm better than you" over everybody else.

Well you are not in Goonswarm or whatever so what business is it of yours?

Presumably if the people in the Alliance or whatever don't like it, they can leave on their own.

Stop being such a busy body.

Yeah seriously, did you walk out yesterday and get primaried by an Alphafleet or something?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2012-10-31 12:10:47 UTC
The OP gives a whole new meaning to the words "entitled hisec pubbie"
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#33 - 2012-10-31 12:11:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
Den Arius wrote:


Admittedly, TEST are much more open. The thing is with WoW - the majority of corps were not elitist. In EVE, the entire northern section of the map (now invading further downwards..) is under the grasp of a volatile and rejectionist culture.


Other games are heavily sharded, so the elitist groups are more spread out. It is as bad in WoW(or use to be when end-game raiding was around), and I use to be in one of those "elitist guilds" so I would know. With Eve being how it is, its easier to notice with everyone being in the same place. With that, only having Goons and Test as the only "Elitist Community Groups" is actually not bad.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#34 - 2012-10-31 12:11:32 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
Admittedly, TEST are much more open. The thing is with WoW - the majority of corps were not elitist. In EVE, the entire northern section of the map (now invading further downwards..) is under the grasp of a volatile and rejectionist culture.

Don't worry, the only part of EVE that will matter soon enough is highsec.

You're safe under the eyes of CONCORD.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#35 - 2012-10-31 12:12:05 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Riedle wrote:
Quote:
Very true, however it takes dedication to bring in a large number of people from a solid community (not everybody is a part of a community which would be interested in EVE. What about the casuals who just want to play internet spaceships? Should they have to endure this attack?

In other MMOs, these "communities" do not verbally attack, reject and generally abuse people who aren't part of their little group. I have no problem with folks getting together from other areas of the internet/rl, however I have a problem with such folks using this to give themselves a sense of "I'm better than you" over everybody else.

Well you are not in Goonswarm or whatever so what business is it of yours?

Presumably if the people in the Alliance or whatever don't like it, they can leave on their own.

Stop being such a busy body.

Yeah seriously, did you walk out yesterday and get primaried by an Alphafleet or something?


I am directly affected by this elitism on a regular basis. I was traveling in Northern Nullsec a few days ago, I said "hi, how's everybody doing?" in local. I was quickly insulted and attacked because I wasn't part of your little group.

Bobb
Ghazu
#36 - 2012-10-31 12:13:18 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
You are complaining about the two biggest ******* alliances being assholes. Why would you even want to join them anyway? They can do whatever they want with their recruiting. If they are using stupid rules and methods for their recruiting then that just goes to show how just how stupid they are.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Now with that understood are you proud to be affiliated with them through those forums?

Ok renter with funny names.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-10-31 12:13:28 UTC
0/1000

Not a veteran, just bitter..
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#38 - 2012-10-31 12:14:09 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
The OP gives a whole new meaning to the words "entitled hisec pubbie"


I spend most of my time in Null Sec. I only go to high sec to deal with corporate activities - I live in Northern Nullsec. I am regularly attacked in local.

Bobb
Seatox
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-10-31 12:15:46 UTC
Prencleeve, Den, whatever you want to call yourself. In all seriousness, you need to stop posting on the internet and go see a bunch of mental health professionals.
Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-10-31 12:16:51 UTC
while I think that joining a corp is a hard thing to do nowadays you still have to remember that these corps and alliances are brittle things, they have to be tough on the recruitment side because they do not want there little group to crumble. Basing it on posts in a forum is a great idea because they then have a reference to go by for that person. ~past posts etc~

The way the members behave is not based on who is allowed to join but more to the point that like minded people tend to gather together, meaning all the goons will be like goons even if they where not in that alliance/corps.

Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows.